Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

Oh, so those must be the drug-sniffing dogs being misused? Lord knows you don't want the bite-em-in-the-ass-when-they-run-from-you dogs anywhere near our military. Sounds like the misuse might be cruelty to animals too. Better call PETA.

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

nnnnhhh, sorry no. This was for interrogation. You have to distinguish being vicious for no reason to innocents from interrogating people who know shit. I know you have a problem with interrogation, but believe me this story only has legs because of the cruel for no reason angle.

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

As I recall, some of the photos captured the "before" and "after" of a detainee being bitten in the leg by one of these dogs, so your choice of body part in characterizing the story is apt, no?

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

I didn't say it was misuse, I said it was authorized. But this seems like a lot of work to train a dog to bark at the end of a leash at a naked man. Hank gets that basically for free. Then again, we spent $189,000 on Lynndie Englund so she could get gang-boffed on a concrete floor.

The U.N. is a religion of peace!
 

I didn't quote you, so I'm not sure where I misquoted you. On top of that I think you see screening as much more of a science than I do. Screening could easily be "Omar's house was knocked down, but we know Omar used to hang out with that kid who blew himself up at the security checkpoint, so that means Omar is a terrorist, so he gets no relief." That to me is an exercise of discretion, even more so than "you are a childless couple, so you get a 600 sq ft apartment, not a house" is. I think that criticizing the UN for doing one and not doing the other is contradictory.
You're right. I have no idea what we're doing in terms of destroyed homes. That was just as an example.

To dodge your policy viewpoint on repairing homes, if I used repairing sewer systems for Fallujah as a hypo, would that be aid and comfort to those who hung the bodies from the bridge, fought our troops, and as yet have not been brought to justice?

I just don't think the US is doing any screening even though there are areas in Iraq which are quite infested with our "enemies". That's why I asked you for a cite.

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

But I see your point. I'd sure feel funny if there were girls around too.

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

The fact that Bush gives lawerly responses to questions about torture and the fact that he conferred with a lawyer last week are entirely coinkydental.

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

Coincidence! Just coincidence! Those intelligence officers were rogues. Plus, they probably thought they were still in Afghanistan, where such policies were authorized, not Iraq, where everyone knew (thru telepathy) that they weren't.

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

How do you know they know shit before you torture... um, interrogate them?


I'm beginning to think you live in Salem.


Also, you may want to read the article from a week or so ago about how useless the interrogations at Abu Ghraib and other prisons were from an intelligence standpoint.

Nappy Head
 

He slept on the job for 8 years. Why stop now.

http://www.drudgereport.com/rrbc.jpg

Nappy Head
 

Certainly, you're counting on the fact that since the subject of the rather obvious rejoinder to this is -- you know, dead -- the impulse to respond will be restrained, right?

Surely you know that shit won't work with this crowd.

Friday Caption Contest
 

Enter your best caption for this photo:

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...2323246920.jpg

Kerry:

"....and she stepped on the ball. Hahahahaha"

Clinton:
[whispering]

"What a jackass. Can't I just run again? Hell, we all know I'd win in a landslide."

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

You can't equate this to Salem. Salem was the real deal as to torture, and I resent your trivialization. My little niece had a friend who lost her mother in the trials.

On the other hand, since the trials wrapped there hasn't been much witch problem there, has there?

Friday Caption Contest
 

how could they have fucked up so badly they'd nominate a guy thet can't put on TV?

http://www.foxnews.com/images/128029...erry_john2.jpg

Men with straw arms shouldn't throw stones at glass houses!
 

No no, it was attY last year. But you guys are both from California. What you said was:

"can you explain to me how you can criticize the UN for both not screening the recipients of their aid and for exercising discretion as to who gets what house?"

My concern is that I'm not sure how I can criticize "the UN for both not screening the recipients of their aid and for exercising discretion as to who gets that house" without actually stating criticism of the UN for both "not screening the recipients of their aid" (in the broad sense reflected in this quote). If I didn't say it, did I not do it? And if I didn't do it, is this like, like (as my lower lip begins to quiver) a straw man question?

Hello

Friday Caption Contest
 

Kerry:
since '99 or so, I only hire interns who are interested in Foreign travel. hahahahhah

Clinton:
I heard you told that one "I don't smoke cigars, but I will damn sure chew tobacco" to break the ice.

Nappy Head
 

And the thought bubbles for both read:

"Dear Lord, notwithstanding my fealty to the devil, please don't let [the other] get splashed with any Holy Water and spontaneously self-combust all over my new suit"

UN Says WMD Shipped Out of Iraq
 

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html

I don't know much about this publication, but here is what they are reporting:

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

Dude! Step off of my man W! After all, there is no controlling legal authority that says the Administration has done anything wrong.

Jeez, W is moving closer to the center -- he's turning into Al Gore.

S_A_M

Nappy Head
 

Looks like he's trying his damnedest not to bust out laughing while Bush tries to read all the beeg beeg words in the eulogy.

Nappy Head
 

CSpan puts me to sleep too.

Imagine -- if he was the best President since FDR while sleeping, what could he have accomplished if he kept, say, Reagan/Bush-type hours?

Your Sources Suck Dead Dude's Dick
 

I don't know much about that publication either, but based on the other work product of its "U.N. correspondent," I'm going to remain skeptical for a while longer.

Nappy Head
 

You have a far, far more vivid imagination that I do.

Observation: the locals clearly got to you during your vacation.

Bush: We tortured people, OK?
 

The article refers to sworn statements that two handlers were having a "contest" to see how many prisoners they could make piss themselves.

Plus, Hank -- your memory is slipping. Remember the post of mine from (probably may) that quotes retired MP Generals as saying that the use of dogs in interrogations both violates Army regs and is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord? [paraphrase]

This will continue to hurt your side, a lot.

S_A_M

How 'bout a little fire, scarecrow?
 

I think you should know by now that if I were (was?) not allowed to ask straw man questions I would ask no questions at all. I'd be reduced to trying to demonstrate my intellect by saying things like "The square of the hypotenuse of an isosceles triangle is equal to the sum of the squares of the remaining sides."

BUT, to bore everyone further on a Friday where I cannot bring myself to do work, I was taking your original reply to my questions as criticizing the UN for not screening the recipients of their aid. As in, once this freeze is over they're gonna just build the guntoter his goldarned house and it's probably going to have a tub with spa jets thrown in - oh wait, I'm putting words in your mouth again. Your words are better:
I don't follow how my sense is too broad.

I took your subsequent post as criticizing the UN for apparently giving different people different benefits. I got that from this:
In the context of "All in favor of letting these guys rebuild Iraq, please show your hands again," that sure looks like criticism of the UN's apportionment of aid to me. Am I wrong? Were you just observing the different situations without implying that one was superior?

Friday Caption Contest
 

Clinton: "Hey, John, you got your daughter's phone number handy?

Kerry: "Not a chance, fat boy."

S_A_M

Nappy Head
 

Heh. I knew that would stir you freaks up. Pavlov, meet my dog Slave. See how he drools when you say "Hillary!"


Some day, a few decades from now, I'll be explaining to my son how he might not have to pay 80% of his salary to the Federal Goverment Debt Reduction Plan had the country followed the fiscal prudence that the Clinton Administration imposed for 8 great years (years of superb economic growth despite what the Repubs claimed would be disastrous consequences of essential tax increases). Then he'll ask me what "Social Security" was, and I'll explain how Reagan lied to the country about this thing called a "Trust Fund", and 20 years later his disciples finally broke the news they'd known all along -- that the Trust Fund was a stealth tax increase on the poor that would have to be decimated to pay the price of Republican profligacy. Then we'll crawl back into our bunker to wait out the day's bombings, brought to us courtesy of the 4 million Al Qaeda recruits who signed up because they were pissed off at the series of revelations about Presidential memos that said "Geneva Schmeneva, just torture the fucking towelheads!" And we'll laugh (muffled slightly by the filter masks everyone has to wear given the long term effects of the reversal of the Clean Air Act brought about in the early 00s), and we'll turn on the TV to watch the New Man Show, where the Juggy Girls jump around in Ashcrofts, bathing suits that run from neck to lower thigh and named after the man who pressed through the law requiring them.


(Note: I'm kidding about some of that.)

Yellow dog Republican.
 

Isn't it pretty to think so?

I wish I shared your pessimism, but right now the country is so polarized and hateful toward anyone not American that W could personally fuck any randomly selected Iraqi male in the ass on primetime CBS and Bush's core constituency would say he deserved it. Oh, and then they would call on Michael Powell to fine CBS for broadcast indecency --- damn liberal media.

Remember, we're talking about a GOP consisting of people like Slave/Club/Bilmore, who will vote Mugabe for Pres. if he registers GOP and promises tax cuts, and people like Delay, who is the nation's most sought-after voter demographic because he's descended from people who stood on hills waiting for the Millenium, never waning in their faith that the Preacher's ability to predict the Second Coming is being better refined with each wrong prediction. It's perfect, really. Pandering to millenialist Christians = campaigning without accountability. An unfulfilled promise, to them, is proof of Satan's hold on the world, and motivates them to turn out in even greater numbers for the next election.

Nappy Head
 

As my friends in the ME say, "God Willing."

Nappy Head
 

for the munitions industry, maybe.
they both spent 8 years letting our enemies gain in strength and numbers while they basically did fuck all. then there were lots of boms going off for awhile. oh yeah they both would fuck ugly in a sec. at least one would marry ugly.

McCain, your country needs you
 

CNN (well, AP) reports that Kerry didn't quite offer the job to McCain, but that McCain has declined overtures. Which doesn't surprise me, either, but it's smart politics by Kerry to be getting these stories.

Reagan mockery that even Slave can get behind.
 

How the East was won.
 

How Gyula Horn won the Cold War.

http://www.cipe.org/publications/fs/ert/e16/horn.gif
Gyula Horn

Nappy Head
 

Some day, a few decades from now, I'll be sitting with Sidd Jr., sipping on a cocktail and smoking cigars, laughing about how one day, a long time ago, his daddy was a socialist.

eta At some point in the conversation, Sidd Jr. and I will laugh heartily over the topic of some thing called a lockbox

How the East was won.
 

That analysis is thin, to say the least.

McCain, your country needs you
 

McCain has said repeatedly that if asked he would not accept. I think you nailed it - this is good politics.

Nappy Head
 

Yeah, but you'll also be crying about how your own kids are protesting globalization and climate change.

the Butterfly Effect
 

After reading this, I'm more convinced it was Darko, the border guard with the bolt cutters, that won the Cold War.

Nappy Head
 

I know, I know. They get it from her, dammit.

Abu Grahib: It's the new "Morning in America!"
 

I've realized that the GOPers' worries about the Iraqi prison scandal are overblown. What they should actually want is for it to get worse. Worries Matthew Yglasias:
Brilliant, I tell you! Genius, I say!

So, I see Rove's commercials coming out in, say, September with sequential images of:

• Lyndie grinding it out on film, then
• Kerry (or a more attractive liberal surrogate) complaining about the US violating the GC and Bush being responsible, then
• various 9/11 images, with a voiceover stating that this is what Democratic, sissyliberal policies will bring us, then
• A statement from Bush in the Oval, saying "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."*

Game over. Landslide, GOP.

Gattigap

* I know, I know. But he's been dead for a while. No one will connect the dots, and the line is handy these days.