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Actually, I'm talking about the enemy our soldiers killed at Bush's orders. And the civilians killed by the mortars, shells, bombs, crossfire, etc. that were killed by our troops and planes at Bush's orders. Or are you suggesting that it's only an absolute wrong to kill Americans?

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And today's "from out of left field" award goes to.....

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FWIW, if Harriet Miers were butt-raping Iraqi prisoners, I am reasonably confident that he would be opposed.

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The 2000 number almost certainly referes to the American soldiers that died in Iraq, so maybe you want to duck back out.

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Only if they're married. Or, if not, they don't talk about it.

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Ah. Thanks for explaining.

Does that sandwich board get heavy? Or did the space-aliens give you an exoskeleton?

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I'm not denigrating religion or dumbing down morality. I'm simply asking you a series of questions and you're answering them. If religion and morality are getting dumbed down, then consider whose giving the reponses.

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That'd be "right field" to you . . .

(Back for a bit, unless I somehow violate probation . . .)

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I stand corrected. Not to mention confused. Absolutely.

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I offered the distinction above. Its similar to the difference between consensual sex and rape, but your pal Clinton has difficulty ascertaining that distinction too.

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And hasn't he paid for it enough?

The usual charge is about $50 or so.

Clinton paid with extraordinary public humiliation, untold private misery (i.e his marriage), and several pounds of flesh.

The whole nation and the Democratic Party paid for it too-- insofar as it helped provide fuel for a partisan-motivated scandal and investigation that effectively paralyzed the White House for at least three years, cost the nation $40 million, and helped to elect Bush II.

For the sake of God and the bayjesus, Penske, STFU about it already and leave him alone.

Focus your crazed energy on the people who have power now and can make a difference.

S_A_M

P.S. Plus, the "So what, your guy is even worse" argument lacks moral weight.

efs

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No, I was doing my normal thing of thinking five serial thoughts, and then typing only the last one. Try to keep up.

Seems this is aimed, somehow, at placing moral approbation for those American deaths on Bush. Doesn't work. Cops die, too, but no one blames the taxpayers. There's another, badder, element involved.

(ETA - damn, flight's here. Off again . . . )

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things have changed. See Bilmoure's earlier post. God told Bush it was okay. Obviously these Iraqis are satan's minions and God has annointed W to do his righteous bidding here on earth.

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From a political calculation, the mockery inherent in this game is what dooms the party you seem to support. Why do they hate God so? I trust in him. Apparently he trusts in W.

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You said you were relying on the Second Amendment to protect your property rights from, inter alia, the murderers. I asked you who you meant by the murderers. You replied you were referring to the Kennedys and the Clintons.

I asked you: (i) why you felt these people from the East were coming after your property; and (ii) why, if, as you maintain, killing is wrong absolutely, you felt you could reconcile a willingness to kill these people with a moral life lived in accordance with what is absolutely Right and forsaking what is absolutely Wrong?

I never offered any defense, or indeed, any comment at all on the kennedys or the Clintons. I don't view them as relevant to our discussion, Penske. We are debating whether there are absolute Right and Wrong, and why you seem to feel that you can claim to be superior to others, myself included, for respecting these absolutes when, in fact, you don't respect them.

Once again, Penske, you are ducking the issue. Is killing an absolute Wrong? And if it is, then how can you support war and a right to bear arms?

These are the things you claim to believe. Help me understand.

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1. It's not my fault he's a dumbass. I could have advised him, "hookers and booze", but he didn't ask me.

2. It's important on the cusp of his attempt at a tacit 3rd term, that the people be reminded of his sins. Those who ignore history.......

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But I asked you if lying was an absolute wrong and your reply was that lying under oath was. Do you wish to revisit your reply?

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There used to be a guy with a sandwich board on Michigan Avenue. For years, his board said that Al Gore had been abducted by aliens and replaced by a robot. Now that I think about it, it was probably Penske.

To be honest, his presence always did brighten up the day.

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If a wrong is absolute, then relative numbers don't matter. Bush is as bad as Clinton.

Check.

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God told W the war was okay. See Bilmoure's post.

I haven't killed anyone. the 2nd amendment is a deterrent to those who might otherwise make a move. as for the people from the East coming to take my property, it happens every year. The IRS invades my home through the USMail and robs me of cash.

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No, I stand by my answer. Not by any non-literal assumptions you may make.

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Apparently Gawd does that to other people too. It also seems, Gawd can change His mind when his previous answers prove inconvenient.

Long time no see, Old Man. I hope you're doing well.

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There's two things I did for Chicago, one good, one bad. I moved there and almost immediately upon the same Jordan un-retired. I moved from there and almost immediately upon the same, Jordan re-retired. You can thank me and curse me.

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No Bush is absolved. I didn't know God told him it was okay.

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I don't curse:

(1) slow marathoners;
(2) the completely fucking insane

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YOu are ducking in in the middle. Let me try to catch you up quickly. Penske has so far argued that killing is an Absolute wrong, because God forbids it. If it is an absolute wrong, then killing in war must be wrong as well.

However, Penske is in favor of killing in war, as long as it is done under Bush's watch and not Clinton's. He's also in favor of being able to kill Kennedys and Clintons in defense of his property rights. He just can't say why those killings are okay. Because, after all, moral relativism is bad, and God tells us that killing is an Absolute WRong.

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When they inserted the plank in their platform that gay marriage should be banned, they did so on the basis that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

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Come on Penske, tell the truth. We've made so much progress. Don't fuck it up now.

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Slower. In fairness.

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Okay, so it is hypocrisy to claim to speak for God when He has not communicated to you.

Check.

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God told Bush he could kill.

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How do you know that basis? Can you cite me something? I don't really think, no offence, that you have an inside insight in the RNC. Spanky might. Spanky is what he says true?

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Short probationary period.

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So it's okay for the POTUS to act inappropriately for the office is he's only doing it in a consensual "frat-boy" way?

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The truth is God told Bush to go to war. Clinton does not have that to fall back. All he is a closet with skeletons popping out.

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That is not what I said. I said expectations of one party in a commercial transaction are not right or wrong. Inherently an expectation is subjective to the holder.

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Nope. Penske and I noted that it was also a sin for the soldiers who did the actual killing. And the cop analogy doesn't work here. Bush is actually Commander in Chief. We don't give the cops their marching orders.

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I don't hate God. I'm simply demonstrating that God has no place in deermining policy. I'm also demonstrating that you are completely incapable of speaking for God, in that you are utterly incapable of dealing with the most simple of contradictions.

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The second amendment is not a deterrent unless you are willing to use the gun. The gun has no purpose other than to kill. As for taxes, that's the price you pay for civilization.

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It is not classless or disrespectful to the office. Clinton was a foul mouth, who, numerous stories have detailed, had no respect for the FBI (as further evidenced by his nickname for the Director of the same), the CIA, the Secret Service or the Joint Chiefs. He also so had little respect for it that he sexually abused at least two of his underlings in the White House, including making one of them watch while he jerked off into the sink. When it comes that Bush is doing anything close to the same I will call him classless too.

Almost anyone else in any other job in America who had that littany of insubordination (and other crimes and misdeamnors) would be summarily fired.