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taxwonk 10-06-2005 07:24 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
No, I stand by my answer. Not by any non-literal assumptions you may make.
Then I'll ask you to answer the question: is lying an absolute wrong?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Nope. Penske and I noted that it was also a sin for the soldiers who did the actual killing. And the cop analogy doesn't work here. Bush is actually Commander in Chief. We don't give the cops their marching orders.
God told Bush it was okay, the soldiers are by extension covered. They are his instrumentality to carry out God's will.

taxwonk 10-06-2005 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
No Bush is absolved. I didn't know God told him it was okay.
And you accuse me of having a lack of respect for God. Stay serious, or acknowledge you are full of shit.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I don't hate God. I'm simply demonstrating that God has no place in deermining policy. I'm also demonstrating that you are completely incapable of speaking for God, in that you are utterly incapable of dealing with the most simple of contradictions.
Obviously God has injected himself into policy and morality is the foundation of a lot of policy and law. Your inability to recognise any common absolute morality is affront to God's proclamations and directives.

taxwonk 10-06-2005 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
God told Bush he could kill.
Okay, so it is hypocrisy to claim that you speak for God when he has not spoken to you.

Checkmate.

Shape Shifter 10-06-2005 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
And you accuse me of having a lack of respect for God. Stay serious, or acknowledge you are full of shit.
Uh, have you been following this?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:29 PM

DING!
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by taxwonk
The second amendment is not a deterrent unless you are willing to use the gun. The gun has no purpose other than to kill. QUOTE]

The only way you could know if it was a deterrent or not is if you were the person it was deterring or not. If a terrorist comes to my door and I point thje 9mm at his head and he runs away, it is a deterrent. Don't be so sure that has not happened.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:30 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by taxwonk
Then I'll ask you to answer the question: is lying an absolute wrong?
Lying under oath is absolutely wrong. When you will admit that? Putting aside God's law, as an atty, don't you believe in the rule of law?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
And you accuse me of having a lack of respect for God. Stay serious, or acknowledge you are full of shit.
Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay, so it is hypocrisy to claim that you speak for God when he has not spoken to you.

Checkmate.
Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Sidd Finch 10-06-2005 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
It is not classless or disrespectful to the office. Clinton was a foul mouth, who, numerous stories have detailed, had no respect for the FBI (as further evidenced by his nickname for the Director of the same
You're bitching that Clinton had a potty-mouth? This is pathetic even by you standards, which generally rest at the crazy-homeless-guys-with-sandwich-boards level.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You're bitching that Clinton had a potty-mouth? This is pathetic even by you standards, which generally rest at the crazy-homeless-guys-with-sandwich-boards level.
Why? Do I have a potty mouth that you know of? Do you think I walk around the office calling lower associates ShiteheadSlave or FuckyfuckerSlave or something like that? Do you think I walk around the office at all using expletives? (other than maybe with my door shut and no one else in my office or maybe a colleague with whom I am personally friendly)

I don't get your point.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why? Do I have a potty mouth that you know of? Do you think I walk around the office calling lower associates ShiteheadSlave or FuckyfuckerSlave or something like that? Do you think I walk around the office at all using expletives? (other than maybe with my door shut and no one else in my office or maybe a colleague with whom I am personally friendly)

I don't get your point.
FTR, I don't use expletives with clients or opposing counsel either. With youknowwho as my witness, I have had the opposition call me a "fucking asshole" and I do not, ever, never, respond in like kind. I don't care if others do it, I don't.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
FTR, I don't use expletives with clients or opposing counsel either. With youknowwho as my witness, I have had the opposition call me a "fucking asshole" and I do not, ever, never, respond in like kind. I don't care if others do it, I don't.
although in my personal life I do. on occassion. Hank's wife likes it when I talk dirty.

Hank Chinaski 10-06-2005 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
although in my personal life I do. on occassion. Hank's wife likes it when I talk dirty.
Yesssss but she said your time limitations make it be monosylabic dirty talk

Hank Chinaski 10-06-2005 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You're bitching that Clinton had a potty-mouth? This is pathetic even by you standards, which generally rest at the crazy-homeless-guys-with-sandwich-boards level.
He hired sodamists, which was still illegal back then.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
He hired sodamists, which was still illegal back then.
From Freeh's book:

The most unsavory of those investigations was the one concerning Clinton and Lewinsky. The White House intern had kept a semen-stained dress as proof of her relationship and a Clinton blood sample was needed to match the DNA on the dress. “Well, it was like a bad movie and it was ridiculous that…Ken Starr and myself, the director of the FBI, find ourselves in that ridiculous position,” he tells Wallace. “But we did it…very carefully, very confidentially,” recalls Freeh. As he explains the plan in the book, Clinton was at a scheduled dinner and excused himself to go to the bathroom. Instead of the restroom, he entered another room where FBI medical technicians were waiting to take a blood sample.

Sadly, when the whole truth is told I doubt that this will even be in the top ten most unsavoury moments. What a friggin' embarassment.

http://www.cliphy.com/spermbill.jpg

Shape Shifter 10-06-2005 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
From Freeh's book:

The most unsavory of those investigations was the one concerning Clinton and Lewinsky. The White House intern had kept a semen-stained dress as proof of her relationship and a Clinton blood sample was needed to match the DNA on the dress. “Well, it was like a bad movie and it was ridiculous that…Ken Starr and myself, the director of the FBI, find ourselves in that ridiculous position,”he tells Wallace. “But we did it…very carefully, very confidentially,” recalls Freeh. As he explains the plan in the book, Clinton was at a scheduled dinner and excused himself to go to the bathroom. Instead of the restroom, he entered another room where FBI medical technicians were waiting to take a blood sample.
WHAT?!! Clinton perfermed sexual acts with Monica Lewinsky during his presidency? Why didn't I hear about this?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
WHAT?!! Clinton perfermed sexual acts with Monica Lewinsky during his presidency? Why didn't I hear about this?
Cuz it's just BREAKING.......


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Spanky 10-06-2005 08:55 PM

You go Pat!
 
Patrick Buchanan is the enemy and should never be quoted. He is a socialist (always against trade deals), he is in league with the worlds Dictators (he was against Kosovo and Iraq), and he is a social conservative (he is wants the government to tell you what you can watch, hear and what you can do in your own bedroom). He is pretty much for government invtervention into everything except when it comes to protecting in the environment and regulating business to protect consumers and peoples health. In other words he is all for government intervention unless such intervention is really helpful and necessary.

The man is not a true Republican (he left the party and ran on the reform ticket) and should be treated like a traitor.

Shape Shifter 10-06-2005 08:57 PM

You go Pat!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Patrick Buchanan is the enemy and should never be quoted. He is a socialist (always against trade deals), he is in league with the worlds Dictators (he was against Kosovo and Iraq), and he is a social conservative (he is wants the government to tell you what you can watch, hear and what you can do in your own bedroom). He is pretty much for government invtervention into everything except when it comes to protecting in the environment and regulating business to protect consumers and peoples health. In other words he is all for government intervention unless such intervention is really helpful and necessary.

The man is not a true Republican (he left the party and ran on the reform ticket) and should be treated like a traitor.
Don't be so harsh. Without him, W may have never become president.

Spanky 10-06-2005 08:58 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
the complexity of your meter is hot.
2.

Diane_Keaton 10-06-2005 09:05 PM

Not for nothing, but....
 
...as someone who must take the subway, it pisses me off to read this about the security alert for NYC subways which Bloomberg has said was based on the most specific information they have ever received before ever about a terrorist attack:

"A law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the Associated Press that the threat is "specific to place, time and method," and that the method is bombing."

Fucking great. Tell us the time and place so EACH of us can make the judgment whether we want to be at that time and place. Excuse me if I want to bring sneakers and walk 2 hours to get home, and not put myself in harms way while chomping on Freedom Fries (NTTAWWT) and bragging how the terrorists "will never change the way I live my life".

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:05 PM

You go Pat!
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Patrick Buchanan is the enemy and should never be quoted. He is a socialist (always against trade deals), he is in league with the worlds Dictators (he was against Kosovo and Iraq), and he is a social conservative (he is wants the government to tell you what you can watch, hear and what you can do in your own bedroom). He is pretty much for government invtervention into everything except when it comes to protecting in the environment and regulating business to protect consumers and peoples health. In other words he is all for government intervention unless such intervention is really helpful and necessary.

The man is not a true Republican (he left the party and ran on the reform ticket) and should be treated like a traitor.
I generally agree with you, however, I don't think that you can deny he holds a certain sway over some members of the right wing electorate and correspondingly they are of a like mind to some/all of his positions. Also, while I generally don't agree with a lot of his positions, I think his piece on Harryette has merit.

[true story] [outable] Finally, ftr, fwiw, in my youth, with some of my friends, we would play act our own personal version of the McLaughlin Group, complete with a mock set, although we had alcoholic beverages in our coffee mugs. I always played Novak, never Buchanan. [/outable][/true story]. I think that should give you some insight into me.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:08 PM

Not for nothing, but....
 
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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
...as someone who must take the subway, it pisses me off to read this about the security alert for NYC subways which Bloomberg has said was based on the most specific information they have ever received before ever about a terrorist attack:

"A law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the Associated Press that the threat is "specific to place, time and method," and that the method is bombing."

Fucking great. Tell us the time and place so EACH of us can make the judgment whether we want to be at that time and place. Excuse me if I want to bring sneakers and walk 2 hours to get home, and not put myself in harms way while chomping on Freedom Fries (NTTAWWT) and bragging how the terrorists "will never change the way I live my life".
Bloomberg should just become a demo already. He's 90 degrees left of Koch. Why the pretense?

Spanky 10-06-2005 09:09 PM

Evangelical means never having to say . . . .
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
And today's "from out of left field" award goes to.....
2. Interesting, but unexpected........

Hank Chinaski 10-06-2005 09:13 PM

Open the closet!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
WHAT?!! Clinton perfermed sexual acts with Monica Lewinsky during his presidency? Why didn't I hear about this?
maybe you're too young to remember before W's administration, but sodomy was still illegal. It was during W's watch that the supremes finally said it was okay.

Billy didn't just perform sex acts- He

1 knowingly oversaw an employee do illegal sodomy, repeatedly

2 concealed her crime (obstruction)

3 did all this for a fat chick

Didn't Monica live across state lines? RICO?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:16 PM

Open the closet!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
maybe you're too young to remember before W's administration, but sodomy was still illegal. It was during W's watch that the supremes finally said it was okay.

Billy didn't perform sex acts- He

1 knowingly oversaw an employee do illegal sodomy, repeatedly

2 concealed her crime (obstruction)

3 did all this for a fat chick

Didn't Monica live across state lines? RICO?
Is masturbating in the oval office sink defiling a public landmark?

Spanky 10-06-2005 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Actually, I'm talking about the enemy our soldiers killed at Bush's orders. And the civilians killed by the mortars, shells, bombs, crossfire, etc. that were killed by our troops and planes at Bush's orders. Or are you suggesting that it's only an absolute wrong to kill Americans?
Clinton also killed a lot of Serbians when he bombed Belgrade. The purpose of those raids was not to intentionally kill innocent civilians although we knew that some would get cilled. It was collateral damage. Similarly the Bush administration has never intentionally killed innocent civilians. But I think our military has bent over backwards to try and minimise collateral damage (sometimes to much in my opinion). Sometimes I think we should have levelled mosques that insurgents were hiding in.

Saddam Hussein on the other hand intentionally killed at least 300,000 Iraq civilians. Clinton and Bush never intentionally killed anyone innocent. I don't think we can assign any deaths to either of them.

Al Queda and friends are responsible.

Spanky 10-06-2005 09:22 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
How do you know that basis? Can you cite me something? I don't really think, no offence, that you have an inside insight in the RNC. Spanky might. Spanky is what he says true?
Sorry - don't know. But if homosexuality is such an abomination why did God create it in the first place?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Clinton........never intentionally killed anyone innocent. I don't think we can assign any deaths to either of them.
Vince Foster?

eta: Also, Mary Mahoney?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:26 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Sorry - don't know. But if homosexuality is such an abomination why did God create it in the first place?
You have to ask Wonk, I don't know. He claimed it's in the Republican platform, and I doubt that this claim is true, but it is more of his campaign of lies and distortions to turn our attention away from the morally corrupt excesses of the bad elements of the left wing towards the petulant whining of the liberals about W.

Spanky 10-06-2005 09:28 PM

Open the closet!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Vince Foster?

eta: Also, Mary Mahoney?
Call me Naive but I think Foster committed suicide. I don't know anything about Mahoney. Both Bush and Clinton were trying to do the right thing in their foreign interventions. People died not because of them, people died because of our enemies. But for our enemies these people would not have died.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Call me Naive but I think Foster committed suicide. I don't know anything about Mahoney. Both Bush and Clinton were trying to do the right thing in their foreign interventions. People died not because of them, people died because of our enemies. But for our enemies these people would not have died.

I think Foster a toss-up, although if there was foul play there is no question who the two leading suspects would be, but the Arkancide list is a little too much circumstantial coincidence for me. As for Mahoney, I hate to bring her up, I think Hank dated her in LS, which explains, in part, his bitterness over the Clintons.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:34 PM

Book Club
 
Spank, want to deep six the Irving and do a little non-fiction:


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/03...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Spanky 10-06-2005 09:38 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
He claimed it's in the Republican platform, and I doubt that this claim is true,
Actually it is probably true. Right now the Republican platform sucks. I have been trying to get it changed for years now but it has been a little tough going.

Spanky 10-06-2005 09:39 PM

Book Club
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Spank, want to deep six the Irving and do a little non-fiction:


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/03...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
Have you read it yet? Did it get good reviews?

paigowprincess 10-06-2005 09:51 PM

Book Club
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Have you read it yet? Did it get good reviews?

Punk Spanky once, shame on you. Punk Spanky twice, shame on him.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 09:59 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Actually it is probably true. Right now the Republican platform sucks. I have been trying to get it changed for years now but it has been a little tough going.

WEll, it's his point, he can cite it. Until I see it, I ain't buying it.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 10:00 PM

Book Club
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Have you read it yet? Did it get good reviews?
It's not out until next week. He's doing an advance pimping on Sunday on 60Minutes. With the excerpts I have posted today, it looks damn good. I can only imagine the skeletons that will be unearthed.


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