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baltassoc 08-24-2005 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
It's not borderline. And the woman isn't the only ridiculous party. The board should have nipped this complaint in the bud rather than recommended a referral to the AG.
I don't get the referral to the AG. For what? What the hell is she going to investigate? The doctor admitted what he said. The woman is either obese or not. What else needs to be investigated? And to what end?

What makes it more absurd is that this is part of the standard battery of advice doctors give. A couple of years ago my doctor told me to lose some weight based on my having a BMI of about 29, classified as obese. A lay person looking at me then would never have thought to call me fat, so it was a bit of a shock to be called not just overweight but obese. I didn't take offense. I lost the weight (current BMI less than 24. Yay!).

NotFromHere 08-24-2005 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
In that case, she might have a point, but not a claim, and her point would be addressed by his letter of apology.

I should file a complaint against my OB for telling me that I'm of advanced maternal age. That bitch. How dare she?
Totally. I'm going to sue my orthopedic guy. When I asked him what I should do for my knee injury - he said "well, you could lose some weight." I said, "dude. seriously? I weigh like 114."
He said, "well, I'm just saying it would take some pressure off of your knee."
And after the cortisone shot, which burned like amotherfucker, I never went back. So I can see how this lady could possibly be offended, but yeah, not to the point of suing a doctor.

bold_n_brazen 08-24-2005 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
Totally. I'm going to sue my orthopedic guy. When I asked him what I should do for my knee injury - he said "well, you could lose some weight." I said, "dude. seriously? I weigh like 114."
He said, "well, I'm just saying it would take some pressure off of your knee."
And after the cortisone shot, which burned like amotherfucker, I never went back. So I can see how this lady could possibly be offended, but yeah, not to the point of suing a doctor.
Translation: I weigh 114. On the internet.

NotFromHere 08-24-2005 02:23 PM

Gossip - it's what I do
 
Johnny Depp may be able to do a convincing pirate’s voice, but apparently he falls a little short when it comes to a pirate’s hands.

The makers of the sequel to "Pirates of the Caribbean" are looking for a gnarled-hand double for Depp because the "Edward Scissorhands" star has “girly man hands” according to the Star. ( I believe there is a hyphen deficit in that phrase).

A spokesman for the flick denies the story, but a source told the tab, “[Depp] has very feminine hands, with long, slender fingers. It’s posed a bit of a problem for them.”

Is it girly-man hands or girly man-hands - because it would make a difference. And I can't see Johnny Depp with gnarly pirate hands.

NotFromHere 08-24-2005 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Translation: I weigh 114. On the internet.
It's what my drivers license says and I'm sticking to it.

Hank Chinaski 08-24-2005 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
Totally. I'm going to sue my orthopedic guy. When I asked him what I should do for my knee injury - he said "well, you could lose some weight." I said, "dude. seriously? I weigh like 114."
Per leg? or do you mean total. If you weigh 114 total you've no business calling other guys "girly."

ThurgreedMarshall 08-24-2005 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
It's not borderline. And the woman isn't the only ridiculous party. The board should have nipped this complaint in the bud rather than recommended a referral to the AG. They shouldn't even have sent the bullshit letter of concern, but that would at least have covered their pansy asses.
Maybe she controls the chocolate in their jurisdiction. You gotta read between the lines.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 08-24-2005 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
What makes it more absurd is that this is part of the standard battery of advice doctors give. A couple of years ago my doctor told me to lose some weight based on my having a BMI of about 29, classified as obese. A lay person looking at me then would never have thought to call me fat, so it was a bit of a shock to be called not just overweight but obese. I didn't take offense. I lost the weight (current BMI less than 24. Yay!).
BMI doesn't mean shit. It's gotta be percentage of body fat that is meaningful. My BMI is 24.8 and I ain't fat or overweight.*

TM

*Shut up, Ironweed.

Replaced_Texan 08-24-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
It's not borderline. And the woman isn't the only ridiculous party. The board should have nipped this complaint in the bud rather than recommended a referral to the AG. They shouldn't even have sent the bullshit letter of concern, but that would at least have covered their pansy asses.
God fucking damnit. Crap like this pisses me off no end. It's a waste of Medical Board resources to follow up customer service related complaints. If the physician was competent in his evaluation and treatment of the patient, then there's no basis of complaint at all. Not being nice isn't reason to investigate. I've defended physicians in front of medical boards for pretty pissant stuff, but at least there was some medical basis for complaint in those cases.

sebastian_dangerfield 08-24-2005 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
BMI doesn't mean shit. It's gotta be percentage of body fat that is meaningful. My BMI is 24.8 and I ain't fat or overweight.*

TM

*Shut up, Ironweed.
Sure it doesn't.

Remember, males are barred from posting breasticles. Hank would never recover were he to discover he tcbed to your man boobs in a whiskey haze.

baltassoc 08-24-2005 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
BMI doesn't mean shit. It's gotta be percentage of body fat that is meaningful. My BMI is 24.8 and I ain't fat or overweight.*

TM

*Shut up, Ironweed.
BMI has a lot of problems, not the least of which is that it breaks down on the edges (it's not very accurate for short, and particularly, very tall people). It also fails to account for high muscle mass in people who are in very, very good shape.

It's easier to calculate than bodyfat percentage, however.

Regardless, the doctor was right, I needed to drop the weight. My point in citing the BMI was that I wasn't off the charts heavy when my doctor lectured me. At my size, the difference between "normal" and "obese" is only about 35 pounds, and the vast majority of people in the world would have even less leeway.

Pretty Little Flower 08-24-2005 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
BMI doesn't mean shit. It's gotta be percentage of body fat that is meaningful. My BMI is 24.8 and I ain't fat or overweight.*

TM

*Shut up, Ironweed.
Yeah, shut the fuck up Ironweak, you stupid little motherfucking piece of shit. Always running off at the motherfucking mouth, spouting some motherfucking shit. God motherfucking damn it, you really piss me off sometimes.

sebastian_dangerfield 08-24-2005 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
God fucking damnit. Crap like this pisses me off no end. It's a waste of Medical Board resources to follow up customer service related complaints. If the physician was competent in his evaluation and treatment of the patient, then there's no basis of complaint at all. Not being nice isn't reason to investigate. I've defended physicians in front of medical boards for pretty pissant stuff, but at least there was some medical basis for complaint in those cases.
As it is in defamation cases, truth should be an absolute defense against charges of unnecessarily harsh criticism.

“Dear _____:

It appears that you are obese, and therefore, Dr. _____’s statement was merely diagnostic No punitive action is warranted.

If you wish to appeal this board’s finding, please consult
www.amihotornot.com. A score above 7.0 will be considered a grant of appeal.”

futbol fan 08-24-2005 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Sure it doesn't.

Remember, males are barred from posting breasticles. Hank would never recover were he to discover he tcbed to your man boobs in a whiskey haze.
And we know Hank's into the sistahs.

I was told by one of my wife's co-workers that some cracker-ass cracker actually tried to pick her up in the Staten Island ferry terminal(!) by letting her know, about three sentences into their entirely one-sided conversation, that he was "you know, really into the sistahs and everything." I definitely plan to hit Halle with that line the next time I see her on the subway platform.

Pretty Little Flower 08-24-2005 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
BMI has a lot of problems, not the least of which is that it breaks down on the edges (it's not very accurate for short, and particularly, very tall people). It also fails to account for high muscle mass in people who are in very, very good shape.

It's easier to calculate than bodyfat percentage, however.

Regardless, the doctor was right, I needed to drop the weight. My point in citing the BMI was that I wasn't off the charts heavy when my doctor lectured me. At my size, the difference between "normal" and "obese" is only about 35 pounds, and the vast majority of people in the world would have even less leeway.
At my internet height of 6'4", I could be 152 pounds and still be on the lower end of the normal scale. If I weighed 152 pounds, they would put me on an IV.

pony_trekker 08-24-2005 03:18 PM

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Great, now another round of "frivolous lawsuit" fodder for the insurance companies to use when we are trying to pick a jury in a wrongful death case.

And NH has some of the fattest motherfuckers I ever did see.

pony_trekker 08-24-2005 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
I don't get the referral to the AG. For what? What the hell is she going to investigate? The doctor admitted what he said. The woman is either obese or not. What else needs to be investigated? And to what end?

What makes it more absurd is that this is part of the standard battery of advice doctors give. A couple of years ago my doctor told me to lose some weight based on my having a BMI of about 29, classified as obese. A lay person looking at me then would never have thought to call me fat, so it was a bit of a shock to be called not just overweight but obese. I didn't take offense. I lost the weight (current BMI less than 24. Yay!).
Couldn't he have qualified it with "You need to lose weight only if you want to be able to reach to wipe your butt."

http://badgas.co.uk/moments/moment_062.jpg

sebastian_dangerfield 08-24-2005 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
At my internet height of 6'4", I could be 152 pounds and still be on the lower end of the normal scale. If I weighed 152 pounds, they would put me on an IV.
Now I understand why Ironweed needs a stepstool to “tap that ass.”

Replaced_Texan 08-24-2005 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As it is in defamation cases, truth should be an absolute defense against charges of unnecessarily harsh criticism.

“Dear _____:

It appears that you are obese, and therefore, Dr. _____’s statement was merely diagnostic No punitive action is warranted.

If you wish to appeal this board’s finding, please consult
www.amihotornot.com. A score above 7.0 will be considered a grant of appeal.”
Friend of mine was described by another friend of mine as being "obese with pendulant breasts." In writing, no less!

She was partially offended, but really couldn't complain too much because it was a description in her medical record by her cardiologist right before (or after, I can't remember when he wrote it) she had a heart valve replaced. It was an accurate statement that was relevant to her diagnosis and treatment.

I do HIPAA lectures from time to time for healthcare professionals, and under HIPAA, patients have a right to request an amendment to their medical record. I use this anecdote all the time as an example of when health professionals can politely tell patients to fuck off on the amendment request. The patient is more than welcome to put a statement disputing the record, but the record is going to continue to say that she is "obese with pendulant breasts."

Pretty Little Flower 08-24-2005 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by ironweed
And we know Hank's into the sistahs.

I was told by one of my wife's co-workers that some cracker-ass cracker actually tried to pick her up in the Staten Island ferry terminal(!) by letting her know . . . .
Now this is some helpful punctuation. In case I could not figure it out on my own, reading this left no doubt in my mind that I am to respond: "No way! He tried to pick her up in the SI ferry terminal!?!?!?!"

baltassoc 08-24-2005 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
At my internet height of 6'4", I could be 152 pounds and still be on the lower end of the normal scale. If I weighed 152 pounds, they would put me on an IV.
Yes, one of BMI's problems is that at the extreme ends of the scale, it is less accurate. Like I said in the post to which this was a reply. Like most more or less linear formulas, it underestimates correct weight for tall people, and overestimates on the short end.

On the other hand, I have been 6'4" and 152 pounds. I was surprisingly vital.

Pretty Little Flower 08-24-2005 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Yes, one of BMI's problems is that at the extreme ends of the scale, it is less accurate. Like I said in the post to which this was a reply. Like most more or less linear formulas, it underestimates correct weight for tall people, and overestimates on the short end.

On the other hand, I have been 6'4" and 152 pounds. I was surprisingly vital.
How tall are you now?

Replaced_Texan 08-24-2005 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
How tall are you now?
On the internet or in real life?

Hank Chinaski 08-24-2005 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Now this is some helpful punctuation. In case I could not figure it out on my own, reading this left no doubt in my mind that I am to respond: "No way! He tried to pick her up in the SI ferry terminal!?!?!?!"
Yes. but shouldn't it have been "cracker-assed ?"

baltassoc 08-24-2005 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
How tall are you now?
4'6" on the internet.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-24-2005 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Yes. but shouldn't it have been "cracker-assed ?"
Someone doesn't get out much!

taxwonk 08-24-2005 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by ironweed
And we know Hank's into the sistahs.

I was told by one of my wife's co-workers that some cracker-ass cracker actually tried to pick her up in the Staten Island ferry terminal(!) by letting her know, about three sentences into their entirely one-sided conversation, that he was "you know, really into the sistahs and everything." I definitely plan to hit Halle with that line the next time I see her on the subway platform.
It should work for you. I hear she's really into pathetic middle-aged white boys from the outer boroughs who like to pretend they got street cred by talking all ghetto and using terms like "sistahs" an' shit, aaiight?

You feel me?

futbol fan 08-24-2005 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Yeah, shut the fuck up Ironweak, you stupid little motherfucking piece of shit. Always running off at the motherfucking mouth, spouting some motherfucking shit. God motherfucking damn it, you really piss me off sometimes.
Your "angry guy" schtick isn't really even worthy of the name. It is pretty funny in a pencil-neck-four-eyes-spindly-limbed-pasty-faced-dork-trying-to-come-across-all-hard kind of way. But it's not you. Keep working on your BMI.

taxwonk 08-24-2005 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by pony_trekker
Couldn't he have qualified it with "You need to lose weight only if you want to be able to reach to wipe your butt."

http://badgas.co.uk/moments/moment_062.jpg
Looks like Pony's into some white sistahs. Mos def!!!

futbol fan 08-24-2005 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
You feel me?
Thanks for the tip, but I'd just as soon not, Mr. Hairy & Pendulant.

Replaced_Texan 08-24-2005 03:35 PM

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Trailer for Brokeback Mountain. I'm going to be bawling like a baby when this comes out.

I didn't know that Larry McMurtry was involved in writing the screenplay, but I'm not surprised.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-24-2005 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
BMI has a lot of problems, not the least of which is that it breaks down on the edges (it's not very accurate for short, and particularly, very tall people). It also fails to account for high muscle mass in people who are in very, very good shape.

It's easier to calculate than bodyfat percentage, however.

Regardless, the doctor was right, I needed to drop the weight. My point in citing the BMI was that I wasn't off the charts heavy when my doctor lectured me. At my size, the difference between "normal" and "obese" is only about 35 pounds, and the vast majority of people in the world would have even less leeway.
The Bod Pod is where it's at with respect to body fat and lean tissue mass:

http://www.bodylabnw.com/html/bodpod.html

paigowprincess 08-24-2005 03:37 PM

Six Feet Under
 
Greetings and Salutations

Was the finale discussed here? I did a quick search using "six", "SFU" and "6FU" as terms but got nachos. I caught it last night and am severely haunted.



SPOILER










I think my favorite shot was of Ruth, her sister and Bettina sitting on chaise lounges, laughing, while dogs ran around. It was like some kind of secret society of aging spinsters having themselves a ball, making a buck off the people who have the money to indulge3 their pups. Brilliant.

Why did they have to have Keith shot? I mean, I know why, but couldnt it have been George or someone? Why wasnt Keith wearinb a bulletproof vest?

Did Billy whack Ted?

Where was Lisa?

greatwhitenorthchick 08-24-2005 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
The Bod Pod is where it's at with respect to body fat and lean tissue mass:

http://www.bodylabnw.com/html/bodpod.html
Where do you go to have your bf percentage tested? I mean, practically speaking. My gyms do not offer it (apart from calipers, which is unreliable), those Tanita things give me wildly differing measurements and most universities seem to only offer testing in studies, which are hard to get into.

I have been curious for a while about it.

futbol fan 08-24-2005 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Now this is some helpful punctuation. In case I could not figure it out on my own, reading this left no doubt in my mind that I am to respond: "No way! He tried to pick her up in the SI ferry terminal!?!?!?!"
Don't mention it. As poorly as you treat me, I am always trying to include you in the conversation with little cues and hints so you won't feel so defensive and embarrassed all the time.

Hank Chinaski 08-24-2005 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Greetings and Salutations

Was the finale discussed here? I did a quick search using "six", "SFU" and "6FU" as terms but got nachos. I caught it last night and am severely haunted.



SPOILER










I think my favorite shot was of Ruth, her sister and Bettina sitting on chaise lounges, laughing, while dogs ran around. It was like some kind of secret society of aging spinsters having themselves a ball, making a buck off the people who have the money to indulge3 their pups. Brilliant.

Why did they have to have Keith shot? I mean, I know why, but couldnt it have been George or someone? Why wasnt Keith wearinb a bulletproof vest?

Did Billy whack Ted?

Where was Lisa?
see-
http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...262#post202262

oh and an interivew with Ted Ball he said if you look closely you'll see Brenda gets remarried twice. And ruth isn't a spinster.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-24-2005 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Where do you go to have your bf percentage tested? I mean, practically speaking. My gyms do not offer it (apart from calipers, which is unreliable), those Tanita things give me wildly differing measurements and most universities seem to only offer testing in studies, which are hard to get into.

I have been curious for a while about it.
The only Bod Pod I've seen (and used) was in Indianapolis at the National Institute for Fitness & Sport. They have an indoor electronically banked track, which is pretty cool.

sebastian_dangerfield 08-24-2005 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Friend of mine was described by another friend of mine as being "obese with pendulant breasts." In writing, no less!

She was partially offended, but really couldn't complain too much because it was a description in her medical record by her cardiologist right before (or after, I can't remember when he wrote it) she had a heart valve replaced. It was an accurate statement that was relevant to her diagnosis and treatment.

I do HIPAA lectures from time to time for healthcare professionals, and under HIPAA, patients have a right to request an amendment to their medical record. I use this anecdote all the time as an example of when health professionals can politely tell patients to fuck off on the amendment request. The patient is more than welcome to put a statement disputing the record, but the record is going to continue to say that she is "obese with pendulant breasts."
The worst I ever ssaw was a breast augmentation/reconstruction doctor who used the term "Snoopy Breasts" in his literature. Its actually a term for some type of breast issue. How'd you like to hear that diagnosis?

bold_n_brazen 08-24-2005 03:50 PM

Six Feet Under
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
see-
http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...262#post202262

oh and an interivew with Ted Ball he said if you look closely you'll see Brenda gets remarried twice. And ruth isn't a spinster.
I think you mean Alan Ball.

Family obituaries here.

http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/obit...pisode63.shtml

Hank Chinaski 08-24-2005 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The worst I ever ssaw was a breast augmentation/reconstruction doctor who used the term "Snoopy Breasts" in his literature. Its actually a term for some type of breast issue. How'd you like to hear that diagnosis?
you sure it's not a shape you can order?

http://www.davidaerickson.com/peanuts/snoopy/snoopy.jpg


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