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Secret_Agent_Man 08-02-2004 11:34 AM

Is is "Help" or "Hope" on the way?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Is that all it is? It sure isn't going to do much for the deficit, then . . .
Maybe not.

As to personal income taxes, he said he'd "roll back the tax cuts for the 2% of wealthiest Americans making over $200K per year. So, I assume that's the repeal of the Bush tax breaks (which would mean adding back 2-3 percentage points onto the current rates -- so would be more than 2-3% increase in terms of taxes those folks paid).

Then there is, of course, corporate taxes, and "ending corporate welfare." The usual.

Actually, if we're able to mostly pull out of Iraq by the end of Kerry's first term that would get him a long way towards his promise to cut the record Bush II deficits in half by then.

S_A_M
S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man 08-02-2004 11:41 AM

August Suprise
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
My favorite news organization, Al Jazeera, is reporting the capture of Zarqawi on the Syrian border.
Slave, you'll be happy to know that your friends and fellow readers of Al Jazeera on line are also staunch Bush supporters.

For example, Ibrahim sez:

"if zarqawi captured, i guess this will boost bush votes among nayive americans, he will get my vote too, but i made up my mind that i will definitly vote for him who ever he captures, becasue he still have a long way and lot of unfinished business to destroy usa piece by piece. i am voting for bush."

'Human from world" chimes in:

"keep dreaming all of you who think that capturing one terrorist will finished this war, maybe for the most ignorant people of this worl, bush followers is a finish business. remember bush want to be relected a lot of thing will happen, plus terrorist want bush to win, ignorants."

it is good to see that the GOP truly has a big tent.

S_A_M

Gattigap 08-02-2004 12:27 PM

The Campaign Diary
 
From the Desk of POTUS

1. Reflect on successful speech yesterday in Pittsburgh. Gotta remember asking my detail to find the audience member who said they loved me, get 'em a keychain or something. I chuckled when I heard that Kerry has a few hecklers at some of his speeches. Gosh, it's nice attending rallies where they filter out the Democrats at the security cordon.

2. Tomorrow, Southwest Missouri State. Ask Karl what their mascot is, work into extemporaneous remarks (Card #34).

3. To-Do List on Exterminating Terrorist Scourge and Spreading Joys of Democratic Freedom just keeps getting longer, darn it. Can't scratch off Iraq yet, Cheney keeps adding North Korea, and now the press is picking up on the Iranian ties to terrorists extensive enough to make Wolfie blush.

Now it looks like I'll have to worry about Venezuela, too, if that numbnut Chavez makes it through his recall. Sure wish that coup had succeded.

SlaveNoMore 08-02-2004 01:44 PM

Provolone, with??
 
Recall the Philly Cheesesteak debacle, when Monsieur Kerry, unfamiliar with such pedestrian fare, ordered it with swiss cheese, lettuce and tomato, and tried to eat it with a knife and fork.

Trying to prevent another such a disaster, we now learn that the entire Wendy's event was staged, and the real answer to "Where's the Beef?" is "on the bus

Atticus Grinch 08-02-2004 02:44 PM

Further proof that there is no creature on Earth so courageous and admirable as a Texas Democrat.

baltassoc 08-02-2004 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Further proof that there is no creature on Earth so courageous and admirable as a Texas Democrat.
Was this supposed to be a link to the story about the pharmacy that sells drugs for cost (in which case, please explain what you mean), or is the Chronicle screwing with me?

Atticus Grinch 08-02-2004 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
Was this supposed to be a link to the story about the pharmacy that sells drugs for cost (in which case, please explain what you mean), or is the Chronicle screwing with me?
I'm screwing with you. I have no idea whether the pharmacy owner is a Democrat. She is, however, a hero.

I just threw in the line about Texas Democrats because I'm jockeying for a three-way with RT and Shape Shifter.

ltl/fb 08-02-2004 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I'm screwing with you. I have no idea whether the pharmacy owner is a Democrat. She is, however, a hero.

I just threw in the line about Texas Democrats because I'm jockeying for a three-way with RT and Shape Shifter.
I beg and beg, and beg and beg and beg, for an MMF and then you go and pick RT. Bastard.

Replaced_Texan 08-02-2004 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I beg and beg, and beg and beg and beg, for an MMF and then you go and pick RT. Bastard.
I showed him my tits.

Hank Chinaski 08-02-2004 03:07 PM

Provolone, with??
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Recall the Philly Cheesesteak debacle, when Monsieur Kerry, unfamiliar with such pedestrian fare, ordered it with swiss cheese, lettuce and tomato, and tried to eat it with a knife and fork.

Trying to prevent another such a disaster, we now learn that the entire Wendy's event was staged, and the real answer to "Where's the Beef?" is "on the bus
"You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in France?"
-- Jules

ltl/fb 08-02-2004 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I showed him my tits.
bitch.

baltassoc 08-02-2004 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I'm screwing with you. I have no idea whether the pharmacy owner is a Democrat. She is, however, a hero.
I agree on the hero thing. It also struck me as very Texan. Without intending to denegrate the rest of the country, including my adopted fair home of Maryland, I've known a lot of Texans who would take such a direct approach to what they would perceive as a local problem: her motive is looking at her neighbors who can't afford the drugs, and she's doing fine taking profits only on the orders covered by insurance, what the hell. She's just being a good neighbor.

Now that the article's out, of course, she's going to be bombarded by folks looking for cheap drugs, which I'm sure she never anticipated, and which is kind of too bad.

sgtclub 08-02-2004 03:20 PM

Is is "Help" or "Hope" on the way?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Maybe not.

As to personal income taxes, he said he'd "roll back the tax cuts for the 2% of wealthiest Americans making over $200K per year. So, I assume that's the repeal of the Bush tax breaks (which would mean adding back 2-3 percentage points onto the current rates -- so would be more than 2-3% increase in terms of taxes those folks paid).

Then there is, of course, corporate taxes, and "ending corporate welfare." The usual.

Actually, if we're able to mostly pull out of Iraq by the end of Kerry's first term that would get him a long way towards his promise to cut the record Bush II deficits in half by then.

S_A_M
S_A_M
The point is not the amount. It is the principle of a majority making decisions concerning the property of the minority. I know most of you think I'm a whack job on taxes, but please tell me how this is morally defensible. Most defences I've heard relate to the fact that the minority gets more benefit from the system, but I don't think this really withstands scrutiny if you attempt to quantify the benefits.

As to how this plays vis a vis the deficet Kerry also suggested additional cuts for the 98%, as well as some additional cuts for business. At the same time, he has proposed, according to the WSJ article, a couple of trillion in new spending.

efs

Replaced_Texan 08-02-2004 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
I agree on the hero thing. It also struck me as very Texan. Without intending to denegrate the rest of the country, including my adopted fair home of Maryland, I've known a lot of Texans who would take such a direct approach to what they would perceive as a local problem: her motive is looking at her neighbors who can't afford the drugs, and she's doing fine taking profits only on the orders covered by insurance, what the hell. She's just being a good neighbor.

Now that the article's out, of course, she's going to be bombarded by folks looking for cheap drugs, which I'm sure she never anticipated, and which is kind of too bad.
And the insurance companies will be pissed that they're being charged a higher price for drugs. And one of those insurance companies likes to sic their OIG and the DOJ on well meaning healthcare entities for "any knowing or willful solicitation or receipt of any remuneration (including any kickback, bribe, or rebate) directly or indirectly, in cash or in kind, in return for referrals of services reimbursable by any federal health care program." Discounting programs in the past have been under very close scrutiny.


edited to add link--RT

Sidd Finch 08-02-2004 03:24 PM

Is is "Help" or "Hope" on the way?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
The point is not the amount. It is the principle of a majority making decisions concerning the property of the minority. I know most of you think I'm a whack job on taxes, but please tell me how this is morally defensible. Most defences I've heard relate to the fact that the minority gets more benefit from the system, but I don't think this really withstands scrutiny if you attempt to quantify the benefits.
So are you against all taxes? Or just anything that goes past a flat tax? Are you against other instances in which the majority enacts rules that affect the minority? Against regulation of businesses? Criminal penalties?

As for the "more benefit" argument, the greater income alone is reflective of that benefit. Could you make your above-average salary without a government?


Quote:

As to how this plays vis a vis the deficet Kerry also suggested additional cuts for the 98%, as well as some additional cuts for business. At the same time, he has proposed, according to the WSJ article, a couple of trillion in new spending.

efs

Was that a WSJ article, or an editorial? The latter is pretty suspect, especially if it asserts "a couple of trillion" in new spending.


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