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Spanky 03-21-2005 02:16 PM
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How was the Rhone Rangers tasting?
I missed it. I was too hungover

Bad_Rich_Chic 03-21-2005 02:23 PM
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I am not comfortable with people (even judges, those extra smart people I'm sure) interpreting what someone's comments meant in the context of the law. Especially where it seems most people make these statements thinking breathing and heart pumping machines, not a tube with liquids.
My impression is that the issue is less about the courts interpreting what her comments meant and what circumstances she thought they applied to, and more about who appropriately should make that interpretation if there is a difference of opinion.

Having a neurotic, meddling mother myself, I agree whole-heartedly with the common law position that, unless there is specific direction otherwise, that person is one's spouse (whom one chose, after all, unlike one's parents). Incidentally, while I have made that abundantly clear to all and sundry (including my T&E lawyer), I haven't signed the form yet, either. However, I'm less worried about my mother trying to keep me around for years so she can read me self-help books and style my hair badly while I turn into liquified goo than I am about an ugly confrontation over who is in charge. Which is, really, worse, since that hurts the conscious.

You are all on notice - unless I can by some means communicate "don't pull that plug muthafucker," I want you to pull the plug.

BR(after the organ harvesting, of course)C

ltl/fb 03-21-2005 02:32 PM
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My impression is that the issue is less about the courts interpreting what her comments meant and what circumstances she thought they applied to, and more about who appropriately should make that interpretation if there is a difference of opinion.

Having a neurotic, meddling mother myself, I agree whole-heartedly with the common law position that, unless there is specific direction otherwise, that person is one's spouse (whom one chose, after all, unlike one's parents). Incidentally, while I have made that abundantly clear to all and sundry (including my T&E lawyer), I haven't signed the form yet, either. However, I'm less worried about my mother trying to keep me around for years so she can read me self-help books and style my hair badly while I turn into liquified goo than I am about an ugly confrontation over who is in charge. Which is, really, worse, since that hurts the conscious.

You are all on notice - unless I can by some means communicate "don't pull that plug muthafucker," I want you to pull the plug.

BR(after the organ harvesting, of course)C
I would like the feeding tube pulled too, not just the plug. I think feeding tubes are frequently, if not always, operated manually, though this is based on one extended ICU experience only. Of a person who was expected either to die in fairly short order, or recover pretty much completely.

And I would like as much pain medication as possible, even if no one is sure that I am feeling pain. Don't worry about it shortening my life or making me addicted.

bilmore 03-21-2005 02:34 PM
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I would like the feeding tube pulled too, not just the plug.
The IPod, however, should remain attached.

Sexual Harassment Panda 03-21-2005 02:38 PM
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The IPod, however, should remain attached.
Thanks for reminding me. I need to update my DPOA to make this explicit.

Gattigap 03-21-2005 02:41 PM
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I would like the feeding tube pulled too, not just the plug.
Many living wills have multiple options -- you can choose to name a proxy for you, to accept or decline nutrition, and to accept or decline hydration. Obviously, if you want it all ended, you decline all three.

ltl/fb 03-21-2005 02:47 PM
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Many living wills have multiple options -- you can choose to name a proxy for you, to accept or decline nutrition, and to accept or decline hydration. Obviously, if you want it all ended, you decline all three.
What I really want is someone to inject a fringe-sized dose of what they use to put pets down. I think this would be immensely preferable to starving to death. But that does not appear to be an option.

Still, starving to death is better than the available alternative. Actually I guess it would more likely be thirsting to death.

Replaced_Texan 03-21-2005 03:00 PM
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What I really want is someone to inject a fringe-sized dose of what they use to put pets down. I think this would be immensely preferable to starving to death. But that does not appear to be an option.

Still, starving to death is better than the available alternative. Actually I guess it would more likely be thirsting to death.
Thirsting into kidney failure is the most likely scenario.

bilmore 03-21-2005 03:03 PM
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Thirsting into kidney failure is the most likely scenario.
I'll have the large bolus of heroin, thank you.

ltl/fb 03-21-2005 03:04 PM
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I'll have the large bolus of heroin, thank you.
Is that an option in your state? If so, I may reconsider my prejudice against "winter."

bilmore 03-21-2005 03:09 PM
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Is that an option in your state? If so, I may reconsider my prejudice against "winter."
Well, sure.

It's sort of a private option, though. If they catch you, you get in big trouble.

Of course, you're already dead, so the deterrent effect is minimal.

ltl/fb 03-21-2005 03:19 PM
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Well, sure.

It's sort of a private option, though. If they catch you, you get in big trouble.

Of course, you're already dead, so the deterrent effect is minimal.
Even if I'm dead, I don't want to get my doctor/family/dealer in trouble for "murder" or whatever.

viet_mom 03-21-2005 04:29 PM
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My impression is that the issue is less about the courts interpreting what her comments meant and what circumstances she thought they applied to, and more about who appropriately should make that interpretation if there is a difference of opinion.

Having a neurotic, meddling mother myself, I agree whole-heartedly with the common law position that, unless there is specific direction otherwise, that person is one's spouse (whom one chose, after all, unlike one's parents). Incidentally, while I have made that abundantly clear to all and sundry (including my T&E lawyer), I haven't signed the form yet, either. However, I'm less worried about my mother trying to keep me around for years so she can read me self-help books and style my hair badly while I turn into liquified goo than I am about an ugly confrontation over who is in charge. Which is, really, worse, since that hurts the conscious.

You are all on notice - unless I can by some means communicate "don't pull that plug muthafucker," I want you to pull the plug.

BR(after the organ harvesting, of course)C
Duly noted. Nobody so fashion conscious should have to endure bad hair. And I would request that if I marry, and then plan to divorce my hubby, who then takes up with another woman soon after I drop into a veggie state, that hubby not make the decision on what I would have wanted. We'll leave that to mummy who, if she desires to, can coo at me and baby me and wipe my butt for all eternity. With the LTL/FB clause of course: as long as there is no pain.

robustpuppy 03-21-2005 04:36 PM
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Duly noted. Nobody so fashion conscious should have to endure bad hair. And I would request that if I marry, and then plan to divorce my hubby, who then takes up with another woman soon after I drop into a veggie state, that hubby not make the decision on what I would have wanted. We'll leave that to mummy who, if she desires to, can coo at me and baby me and wipe my butt for all eternity. With the LTL/FB clause of course: as long as there is no pain.

It seems equally unlikely you would marry a man who would admit to wanting to take up with another woman and pull the plug on you soon after you drop into a coma, as that man would marry a woman who'd admit that she'd rather he wipe her butt for all eternity than go on with his life long after she became a vegetable. So maybe you should just give mum your advance directive with a provision that it shall be unaffected by your subsequent marriage. And don't let hubby be listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policy. You wouldn't want to display too much trust.

Man, talk about a cold not-quite-dead hand ...

ltl/fb 03-21-2005 04:38 PM
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It seems equally unlikely you would marry a man who would admit to wanting to take up with another woman and pull the plug on you soon after you drop into a coma, or that a man would marry a woman who'd admit that she'd rather he wipe her butt for all eternity than go on with his life long after she became a vegetable. So maybe you should just give mum your advance directive with a provision that it shall be unaffected by your subsequent marriage. And don't let hubby be listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policy. You wouldn't want to display too much trust.

Man, talk about a cold not-quite-dead hand ...
In the unlikely event that I am married when/if I fall into a vegetative state, I don't think I want my husband to be celibate after the first few months. Unless he wants to be.

However, I will not be putting this in my directive, because I think it would upset my family.


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