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sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 11:54 AM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510987)
I do think what guys do to women is different, because it's more tied up with the dominance, demeaning and power stuff, but it's still really not much of an ego boost to have your crotch grabbed by some gay old power broker when you're a young political operative, for example.

I recently had a guy get handsy and drive me nuts (kept petting me, asking for a threesome with a girl at the party to sweeten the deal, and offered me drugs). I don't think I'd like having him manhandle my junk, true. But over 40, and married forever, it's nice to be reminded you've still got solid market value.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 11:55 AM

Re: It's all about Hilary Clinton conspiring with the Russians
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510988)
You do realize I don't watch Fox News?

This makes two of us.

ThurgreedMarshall 10-30-2017 11:56 AM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510987)
I do think what guys do to women is different, because it's more tied up with the dominance, demeaning and power stuff, but it's still really not much of an ego boost to have your crotch grabbed by some gay old power broker when you're a young political operative, for example.

Kevin Spacey is playing a character. He isn't really a...oh wait. You're talking about someone else.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 10-30-2017 11:58 AM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510989)
I recently had a guy get handsy and drive me nuts (kept petting me, asking for a threesome with a girl at the party to sweeten the deal, and offered me drugs). I don't think I'd like having him manhandle my junk, true. But over 40, and married forever, it's nice to be reminded you've still got solid market value.

So how was the threesome?

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-30-2017 12:00 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510986)
I think you actually do wear them, with golf shirts, or blue oxfords.

What about cotton pants that aren't khaki colored? I'll admit to wearing these with a nice polo shirt (not one of the cool max golf shirts).

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 12:11 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510989)
I recently had a guy get handsy and drive me nuts (kept petting me, asking for a threesome with a girl at the party to sweeten the deal, and offered me drugs). I don't think I'd like having him manhandle my junk, true. But over 40, and married forever, it's nice to be reminded you've still got solid market value.

Again, we're in agreement that what men and women experience here is different in many ways, but, to get a little closer, now imagine that he's your 70 year old managing partner, or that he's a significant client on whom you depend for a big chunk of your income....

Still just an "ego boost"?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 12:12 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 510991)
Kevin Spacey is playing a character. He isn't really a...oh wait. You're talking about someone else.

TM

Even President Underwood is teetering on the edge today....

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 12:17 PM

Re: It's all about Hilary Clinton conspiring with the Russians
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510990)
This makes two of us.

Whiff-a-roonie!

greatwhitenorthchick 10-30-2017 12:46 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510994)
Again, we're in agreement that what men and women experience here is different in many ways, but, to get a little closer, now imagine that he's your 70 year old managing partner, or that he's a significant client on whom you depend for a big chunk of your income....

Still just an "ego boost"?

Exactly. I can't even imagine hitting on one of my associates, but if I did, I doubt it would be an ego boost for him. I expect he'd be weirded out, uncomfortable and definitely not want to work with me anymore.

Whenever the shoe was on the other foot (when I was an associate and this happened), I felt humiliated. I'm not sure if a male associate would feel the same degree of self-doubt and humiliation, but I think it's definitely possible.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-30-2017 01:00 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
I imagine a lot of Trump voters would fundamentally approve of how the UK is changing, even as many of us are appalled.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 02:11 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 510997)
Exactly. I can't even imagine hitting on one of my associates, but if I did, I doubt it would be an ego boost for him. I expect he'd be weirded out, uncomfortable and definitely not want to work with me anymore.

Whenever the shoe was on the other foot (when I was an associate and this happened), I felt humiliated. I'm not sure if a male associate would feel the same degree of self-doubt and humiliation, but I think it's definitely possible.

We’ve met. If I were the associate, I’m thinking initial response is, “So that’s how you roll...”

Then I’m thinking, “Allright, allright...”

(In my dreams, where I’m as smooth as Wooderson.)

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 02:30 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 510993)
What about cotton pants that aren't khaki colored? I'll admit to wearing these with a nice polo shirt (not one of the cool max golf shirts).

It’s more about the cut and style.

The “khaki” isn’t really about the khaki color at all. That’s just the color these uncreative, formless pants tend to come in, as it goes with almost every other color. (Shit, people even wear them with grey shirts, which should never work, but somehow does.)

It’s a heavy fabric, boring ulitity pant. The sort favored by men who wear socks in every season. It’s the dam that holds back the male muffin top of skinny-fat to porky middle managers the world round. Karl Lagerfeld once said, “Never wear sweatpants. They are a sign you’ve given up.” The standard Dockeresque khaki is one ladder rung away — the style of a man who’s but an earner, a 401k enhancement device... a man who’s not even much interested in masturbation anymore. It is the wardrobe choice of the asexual... he who’s greatest excitement of the week is acquiring an enviable Saturday tee time.

Nobody’s in a hurry to tear off someone else’s khakis. And that’s about all you need to know about anything to avoid wearing it.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 02:30 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510999)
We’ve met. If I were the associate, I’m thinking initial response is, “So that’s how you roll...”

Then I’m thinking, “Allright, allright...”

(In my dreams, where I’m as smooth as Wooderson.)

Now, correct me if I'm wrong people, but in reading this, don't you all just see Sebby as a short little dude in khakis and dockers?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 02:36 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 510992)
So how was the threesome?

TM

Meh. Too much really slow kissing.

And no one bought me brunch.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 02:38 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511001)
Now, correct me if I'm wrong people, but in reading this, don't you all just see Sebby as a short little dude in khakis and dockers?

You’re stereoptyping, badly, and incorrectly.

ferrets_bueller 10-30-2017 02:54 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Speaking on behalf of 70.8 year olds everywhere, I trust that age and experience have taught most of us that we are no longer the godlike creatures who once strode the earth with confidence and ease. That which we are, we are. See you at my 50th college reunion in the spring. And it is true that age and cunning can still, in our chosen profession, defeat youth and skill.

Yours in attempting to stay reasonably fit, and sockless in the warmer months,

Ferrets.

Adder 10-30-2017 04:20 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511000)
The sort favored by men who wear socks in every season.

You're lecturing us about fashion and you're someone who goes to work/dinner without socks? Yikes.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-30-2017 04:36 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511000)
It’s more about the cut and style.

The “khaki” isn’t really about the khaki color at all. That’s just the color these uncreative, formless pants tend to come in, as it goes with almost every other color. (Shit, people even wear them with grey shirts, which should never work, but somehow does.)

It’s a heavy fabric, boring ulitity pant. The sort favored by men who wear socks in every season. It’s the dam that holds back the male muffin top of skinny-fat to porky middle managers the world round. Karl Lagerfeld once said, “Never wear sweatpants. They are a sign you’ve given up.” The standard Dockeresque khaki is one ladder rung away — the style of a man who’s but an earner, a 401k enhancement device... a man who’s not even much interested in masturbation anymore. It is the wardrobe choice of the asexual... he who’s greatest excitement of the week is acquiring an enviable Saturday tee time.

Nobody’s in a hurry to tear off someone else’s khakis. And that’s about all you need to know about anything to avoid wearing it.

I'm not talking about dockers, but rather tailored cotton trousers. And you're saying that cotton is a heavy fabric - have you worn cotton before?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-30-2017 04:37 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511014)
You're lecturing us about fashion and you're someone who goes to work/dinner without socks? Yikes.

He walks to the local Margaritaville restaurant in his board shorts and flip flops.

Adder 10-30-2017 04:49 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511016)
He walks to the local Margaritaville restaurant in his board shorts and flip flops.

And you know that mf is blaming a woman...

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 05:06 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511016)
He walks to the local Margaritaville restaurant in his board shorts and flip flops.

and don't forget the comb-over. This image has to have a comb-over.

Icky Thump 10-30-2017 05:21 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510977)
Idk about you, but I doubt any guy here who's been hit on has felt harassed. From female bosses, co-workers, gay, straight, it's ego inflation. When guys do it to women, it's different. It's got more of a dominance and demeaning thing to it.

Men do, however, face a form of sexual discrimination from other men that's rarely discussed. I've seen insecure partners hate the shit out of younger associates with, how shall we say it... more native charisma, looks, and confidence. If you're a kid of even moderately attractive appearance and some personality, and you work for the wrong kinda-soft, insecure partner early in your career, or some older partner who's feeling his virility and power ebbing, you can get fucked over pretty hard. The fragility of the male ego can't be overstated.

When I was a musician there was one manager who wouldn't manage me unless I let her suck my dick. And she was nasty.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-30-2017 06:07 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Did Papadopoulous wear a wire this summer?

Hank Chinaski 10-30-2017 06:44 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 511019)
When I was a musician there was one manager who wouldn't manage me unless I let her suck my dick. And she was nasty.

You’ve all heard of white privilege? Well that right there is “rock star privilege.”

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 07:15 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511018)
and don't forget the comb-over. This image has to have a comb-over.

Not only not bald. Not even gray.

(But I do wear board shorts. And now and again, I enjoy a cheeseburger in them, in southern locales.)

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 07:20 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511015)
I'm not talking about dockers, but rather tailored cotton trousers. And you're saying that cotton is a heavy fabric - have you worn cotton before?

No. As I noted at the outset, it’s all about the cut and style. Perhaps I should have included weight of fabric.

The docker and its ilk are made of a canvass-like material. Bulky, boxy. Bad stuff.

I’m sure you have delightful, high fiber count, perfectly tailored trousers.

They are not analogous to Dockers (or any of the other ill fitting pants those Cubicle Mole KKK wannabes were wearing in Charlottesville.)

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 07:29 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511014)
You're lecturing us about fashion and you're someone who goes to work/dinner without socks? Yikes.

No underwear, and no socks. Except when I’m wearing a suit (socks, that is). But even then, as soon as weather allows, I switch to ankle boots.

No one should ever see socks. Ever. They’re like an exposed t-shirt at the neck, or a wife beater t-shirt under a thin shirt that exposes its outline.

I wear mocs a lot in warm weather. You ever see anybody wearing socks with mocs?* (Someone not walking off a short bus.)

* Pseudo-Seussian (Pseu-pseu-seudian?)

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 07:32 PM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511017)
And you know that mf is blaming a woman...

Hey hey hey, elevator boy... I’ve never had a creepy crush on a co-worker.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 07:35 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 511019)
When I was a musician there was one manager who wouldn't manage me unless I let her suck my dick. And she was nasty.

This ends with that night when you reciprocated, yes?

Icky Thump 10-30-2017 09:00 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511026)
This ends with that night when you reciprocated, yes?

Hell no. If I ever want to "slow down" I just think of her teeth.

Hank Chinaski 10-30-2017 10:25 PM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 511027)
Hell no. If I ever want to "slow down" I just think of her teeth.

BJ from someone with rotten teeth is safe. They know the teeth might break, rather than cutting dick skin, if they don’t keep them choppers out of the way.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-31-2017 09:49 AM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 511019)
When I was a musician there was one manager who wouldn't manage me unless I let her suck my dick. And she was nasty.

Ugly nasty or kinky nasty?

ThurgreedMarshall 10-31-2017 10:00 AM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511024)
No one should ever see socks. Ever. They’re like an exposed t-shirt at the neck...

You really have the most bizarre set of rules.

TM

ferrets_bueller 10-31-2017 10:10 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Since this recent discussion has brought forth the remnants of the Fashion Board, I propose a question for Paul Manafort, a former neighbor.

Please enlighten us, Mr. Manafort, as to how a man who has, one presumes, a complete gentlemen's wardrobe for all occasions, thereafter spends $850,000 of laundered money on men's clothing?

Think about your current closet(s). Now supplement those garments with whatever you wish. Buy nothing but the best. Fill the closet in your summer home and your urban hideaway as well. I'm still going to have about $500,000 left out of that $850,000 to supplement my liquor cabinet and my wine cellar. With something left over for my chronometer collection.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-31-2017 10:22 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 511031)
Since this recent discussion has brought forth the remnants of the Fashion Board, I propose a question for Paul Manafort, a former neighbor.

Please enlighten us, Mr. Manafort, as to how a man who has, one presumes, a complete gentlemen's wardrobe for all occasions, thereafter spends $850,000 of laundered money on men's clothing?

Think about your current closet(s). Now supplement those garments with whatever you wish. Buy nothing but the best. Fill the closet in your summer home and your urban hideaway as well. I'm still going to have about $500,000 left out of that $850,000 to supplement my liquor cabinet and my wine cellar. With something left over for my chronometer collection.

Custom made Tom Ford suits can reach $15-20k. Notice how many of Manafort's suits have wide peak lapels? That's a classic Tom Ford feature. It's come back into style recently and is made by lesser brands (I've picked up a few jackets in the style). But I'm willing to bet Manafort's are all Ford. I also read somewhere that he shopped at Bijan, where a suit could run $30k.

And his knock around wardrobe was probably custom Brioni and Kiton, which run crazy expensive.

Throw in dozens of custom shoes (John Lobb or better), boots, a bunch of Savile Row suits (anyone doing business with the Russians as much as he did is in London a lot), a couple dozen $10-20k topcoats (it's cold in Moscow), some furs for the Russian hook-- er, girlfriends, and I think you can get to the high six figures.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-31-2017 10:28 AM

Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511030)
You really have the most bizarre set of rules.

TM

One of the best pieces of a advice I've ever heard from a woman:

"Never be seen in nothing but socks."

Pre-coital warning. And I swear she was almost ready to call the whole thing off -- just from that faux pas.

And so, applying the logic of Remo in the anteroom scene in Casino, "Why take a chance?"* Indeed. Why ever expose socks?

_________________
* The BOSSES are gathered around a conference table as the
lawyers and nurses silently walk out the door as if on cue.

NICKY (V.O.)
See, when something like this happens,
you know how things are gonna work
out. It's always better with no
witnesses. So, what about Andy?


THE CAMERA PANS FROM ONE BOSS TO THE OTHER.

FORLANO
(Putting down his
oxygen mask once the
door behind him is
shut)
He won't talk. Stone is a good kid.
Stand-up guy, just like his old man.
That's the way I see it.

BORELLI
I agree. He's solid. A fuckin' Marine.

CAPELLI
(Holding his oxygen
mask)
He's okay. He always was. Remo, what
do you think?

GAGGI
(Pause)
Look... why take a chance? At least,
that's the way I feel about it.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-31-2017 10:34 AM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 511027)
Hell no. If I ever want to "slow down" I just think of her teeth.

I think of Clint Howard making out with the subway ghoul in Ghost.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-31-2017 10:37 AM

Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511029)
Ugly nasty or kinky nasty?


I totally regret accepting a blow job from that insanely kinky chick.


This exact arrangement of words has never previously existed. (And it's not because of the arguably superfluous adverb.)

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-31-2017 10:42 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 511031)
Since this recent discussion has brought forth the remnants of the Fashion Board, I propose a question for Paul Manafort, a former neighbor.

Please enlighten us, Mr. Manafort, as to how a man who has, one presumes, a complete gentlemen's wardrobe for all occasions, thereafter spends $850,000 of laundered money on men's clothing?

Think about your current closet(s). Now supplement those garments with whatever you wish. Buy nothing but the best. Fill the closet in your summer home and your urban hideaway as well. I'm still going to have about $500,000 left out of that $850,000 to supplement my liquor cabinet and my wine cellar. With something left over for my chronometer collection.


I've been assuming this is part of the laundering scheme, and that somewhere along the way paying $33,000 for a $3,000 suit resulted in some Russian or Trumpian "businessman" covering his "overhead" for $30,000 (repeat and rinse).

sebastian_dangerfield 10-31-2017 10:49 AM

My Gucci Addiction
 
Buzz Bissinger, on spending $600k on clothing in two years (much of it, apparently, awful): https://www.gq.com/story/buzz-bissin...ucci-addiction


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