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Tyrone Slothrop 11-10-2017 03:59 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 511313)
Minnesota drivers are awful in all the passive aggressive ways you would expect. Just terrible. Boston drivers are a little unhinged, but mostly in a predictable way.

DC drivers disregard stop signs and red lights in a way that is truly terrifying.

Hank Chinaski 11-10-2017 04:10 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511314)
DC drivers disregard stop signs and red lights in a way that is truly terrifying.

I didn't find DC so bad, except for Diplomatic plates cars.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-10-2017 04:14 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 511313)
Minnesota drivers are awful in all the passive aggressive ways you would expect. Just terrible. Boston drivers are a little unhinged, but mostly in a predictable way.

"Unhinged, but in a predictable way" is perhaps the best description evah of Boston.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-10-2017 04:41 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 511315)
I didn't find DC so bad, except for Diplomatic plates cars.

I am lucky not to have lost a family member.

Adder 11-10-2017 05:12 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511314)
ALL drivers disregard stop signs and red lights in a way that is truly terrifying.

Fixed that for you.

Hank Chinaski 11-10-2017 05:13 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511317)
I am lucky not to have lost a family member.

I had forgotten that, yes. But Fringey got hit in LA. One cannot blame an entire city.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-10-2017 05:51 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 511319)
I had forgotten that, yes. But Fringey got hit in LA. One cannot blame an entire city.

Sure, but cities are better and worse in such things, and DC (in my experience) is uniquely bad in the way people run lights and stop signs.

sgtclub 11-10-2017 07:15 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511299)
What's really amazing is that this lawyers talking politics board has completely ignored the insane Rand Paul assault story.

Something really fishy going on there. Do you believe Paul mows his own lawn? With ear buds in?

Icky Thump 11-10-2017 09:34 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 511305)
Best The Wire quote:

1 "All in the game, yo!"

2 "You come at the King, you best not miss!"

3 "you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, but it's the other way!"

4 ???????

4. That's my money.
5. How my hair look?

Seriously, we use 4 and 5 for everyday office talk. If someone appears to be doing something that croaches on another's job, clients, domain, practice area, we use 4. Like every day.

And when someone has to go into a superior's office for an uncomfortable conversation we always use 5.

Hank Chinaski 11-10-2017 09:54 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 511322)
4. That's my money.
5. How my hair look?

Seriously, we use 4 and 5 for everyday office talk. If someone appears to be doing something that croaches on another's job, clients, domain, practice area, we use 4. Like every day.

And when someone has to go into a superior's office for an uncomfortable conversation we always use 5.

4 was when?

Icky Thump 11-11-2017 05:37 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 511323)
4 was when?

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Season 4 when Omar robs the poker game. Omar is taking the money Marlo says

Marlo Stanfield:
That's my money.

Omar:
Man, money ain't got no owners, only spenders

http://www.quotes.net/mquote/935461

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-12-2017 02:43 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 511321)
Something really fishy going on there. Do you believe Paul mows his own lawn? With ear buds in?

Of course, because he's got stuff there that he doesn't want other people to see! Wake up and smell the reefer peoples!!

Adder 11-13-2017 10:25 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511320)
Sure, but cities are better and worse in such things, and DC (in my experience) is uniquely bad in the way people run lights and stop signs.

I don't know. Minneapolis doesn't seem any better to me. Honestly, I think the problem is anywhere you put suburban drivers in an urban setting. People drive out of their cul-de-sac onto wide, multi-lane stroads, get up to freeway speeds (or worse, wind up frustrated and bumper-to-bumper) and are worked up by the time they get to the city and can't go as fast as they want or have to stop.

As with all things, it's basically the suburbs fault.

Pretty Little Flower 11-13-2017 11:13 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511326)
I don't know. Minneapolis doesn't seem any better to me. Honestly, I think the problem is anywhere you put suburban drivers in an urban setting. People drive out of their cul-de-sac onto wide, multi-lane stroads, get up to freeway speeds (or worse, wind up frustrated and bumper-to-bumper) and are worked up by the time they get to the city and can't go as fast as they want or have to stop.

As if all things, it's basically the suburbs fault.

I think the poor driving in Minnesota has a regional passive-aggressive tendency that distinguishes it from poor driving elsewhere. E.g., people will not let other drivers merge and stare straight ahead pretending they do not see the merging driver. This is by far the most egregious Minnesota driving sin. Also, tailgating at slow speeds in traffic. What are you doing? Other habits are just fucking clueless. Don't sit at a light and then turn on your blinker as the light turns green. And random braking. Completely fucking random braking.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-13-2017 01:26 PM

Re: Epistemic Crisis
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511123)
cray cray

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511145)
cray cray

I know I've been away, but I'm back to help. Stop this immediately.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 11-13-2017 02:24 PM

Re: Thanks Obama!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511221)
When I was on jury duty, a judge told me that prosecutors want someone whom the rest of the jury will listen to and follow, because then they can focus on that person.

I got picked for a criminal trial (and made foreperson) 3 years ago. Here is my take:

1. People are fucking stupid. One third of the jury wanted to convict on the harshest charge right away without listening to what actions rise to meet the elements of the charge or the judge's instructions. Two jurors wanted to outright acquit right away without even discussing the fucking facts. I had to explain the charges and how a conviction could be met and walk them through how and why the prosecution had to meet their presumption. Again and again and again.

2. People are cruel and selfish. I always thought that, once in that jury room, people would take their duty very seriously. Here is the order of priorities in that room: (1) Getting it over with quickly, (2) Lunch, and finally (3) Coming to the right decision. I'm not sure ours is the worst system, but if it's the best, that is the saddest statement ever made. People are getting fucked by this system left and right--and not just from a racial and class perspective.

3. I eventually got them to the right decision. But I could have made them go any way I wanted them to go. After the decision, we learned the defendant had serious mental problems. So I'm not sure why he was on trial at all. But that's our criminal justice system for you.

TM

Adder 11-13-2017 02:33 PM

Re: Thanks Obama!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511329)
3. I eventually got them to the right decision. But I could have made them go any way I wanted them to go.

Entirely predictable, and why I'm surprised both sides were willing to take that gamble.

Just after starting at my old BigLaw gig, I got called to serve on the DC grand jury. Three weeks of daily service, more or less precluding doing much actual work, but hey, I got paid.

I wasn't exerting any similar influence, nor did I want to, but it was definitely eye-opening about how much people make decisions based on intuition rather than analysis. Given the super-low bar and one-sided nature of the evidence offered, it was close to a rubber stamp.

Except for when the prosecutor was seeking indictment for (1) possession with intent to distribute, (2) possession of a firearm, and (3) possession of a firearm during a crime of violence or other serious offense.

No problem indicting on the first two, but the prosecutor had to come back twice to explain how possession with intent to distribute was an "other serious offense" and a statutory predicate to #3, which the grand jury wasn't buying. To some degree it was her fault for not stressing that point enough the first time, but nonetheless, we indicted on all of the elements of #3, but not that charge because they didn't think it was a crime of violence.

Nonetheless, people showed up and took it pretty seriously.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-13-2017 02:44 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511258)
I think the problem is with Congress. Yes, Trump worsens things. But the R Congress and Obama were at war for eight years before. And I know your reply to that: "Obama tried to work with them initially." I said that same thing to someone who ran a department under Obama. This person's response to me was, "No. Obama didn't really try to work with Rs initially. He just did a very good job of making it appear that way, which was politically shrewd and effective."

This is complete and total revisionist bullshit. Republicans were running away from their own fucking bills because they couldn't be seen to agree with him. They outright said they would oppose anything he was in favor of. Don't be ridiculous.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-13-2017 02:52 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511331)
This is complete and total revisionist bullshit. Republicans were running away from their own fucking bills because they couldn't be seen to agree with him. That outright said they would oppose anything he was in favor of. Don't be ridiculous.

TM

There was enormous frustration with Obama on healthcare because he dragged out the process and made several compromises in an attempt to at least get a few Republicans to cross over. He didn't get them, but the compromises stayed in the bill. It could have been done months earlier and had a number of stronger provisions if he would have accepted a "democrats only" vote.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-13-2017 03:01 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511295)
Serious flower is worst flower.

Disagree. Although I prefer the mix, but that's almost completely limited to responses to Sebby's bullshit.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 11-13-2017 03:13 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 511305)
Best The Wire quote:

1 "All in the game, yo!"

2 "You come at the King, you best not miss!"

3 "you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, but it's the other way!"

4 ???????

I robs drug dealers.

The king stay the king.

I'm just a humble motherfucker with a big ass dick.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 11-13-2017 03:13 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511310)
Hi. We should lower the national speed limit (okay, the state and local because we don't have a national one) on city surface streets to 20 mph.

Fuck that shit.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 11-13-2017 03:28 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511332)
There was enormous frustration with Obama on healthcare because he dragged out the process and made several compromises in an attempt to at least get a few Republicans to cross over. He didn't get them, but the compromises stayed in the bill. It could have been done months earlier and had a number of stronger provisions if he would have accepted a "democrats only" vote.

That was more true of the stimulus than healthcare. With healthcare, the bill had to please Max Baucus.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-13-2017 03:45 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
I have to say, it was nice of all those Republicans to go on the record as pro-pedophilia before Allred brought the hammer down. (sips Keurig).

Adder 11-13-2017 04:36 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511337)
I have to say, it was nice of all those Republicans to go on the record as pro-pedophilia before Allred brought the hammer down. (sips Keurig).

Think you meant to sign this, "Love, GGG, D.A."

Pretty Little Flower 11-13-2017 07:31 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511337)
I have to say, it was nice of all those Republicans to go on the record as pro-pedophilia before Allred brought the hammer down. (sips Keurig).

A CNN article quoting people stating why they are still voting for him and/or while he did not do anything wrong is as compelling argument against democracy as there is. Especially in Alabama. I'm know there are good people there but suspension of the right to vote for everyone in the state is the most narrowly tailored remedy we could possibly fashion. We'll let Mississippi advocate on their behalf. And the state auditor???

Alabama state auditor Jim Zeigler used Biblical examples to argue that Moore's relationships were not inappropriate.

"Take the Bible: Zechariah and Elizabeth, for instance," Zeigler said. "Zechariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist. Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus. There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

In the Bible, Joseph was the husband of Mary, but Jesus is conceived through the Holy Spirit. Although Joseph is often popularly depicted as an old man and Mary as a youthful virgin, the Bible does not explicitly mention their ages.
Zechariah and Elizabeth, the parents of John the Baptist, are both described in Luke as "well stricken in years," according to the King James Bible.


There's nothing immoral or illegal about pedophilia? WHAT? WHAT??!??!? Fuck the vote revocation, we're walling off the entire state. Dear Alabama, you voted for Ziegler. Good-bye forever. BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL!

ThurgreedMarshall 11-14-2017 11:29 AM

Sessions Judiciary Committee Testimony
 
Watching how the Republicans are running this farce and listening to the constant verbal and unsolicited fellatio they are giving Sessions and the questions they are asking, which seem to be focused completely on fucking Hillary Clinton and/or DACA is absolutely sickening. And the fucking smirks this little asshole gives to his friends in the Senate administering such unsolicited fellatio makes me want to smash his smug little elf face.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/pol...T.nav=top-news

This country is fucking doomed.

TM

sebastian_dangerfield 11-14-2017 11:31 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511331)
This is complete and total revisionist bullshit. Republicans were running away from their own fucking bills because they couldn't be seen to agree with him. They outright said they would oppose anything he was in favor of. Don't be ridiculous.

TM

I thought the same thing. This person ran a federal govt department, and advised me otherwise. I don't know whether it's right or wrong (my guess is it's a mix), but this person is pretty credible and moderate.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-14-2017 11:34 AM

Re: Epistemic Crisis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511328)
I know I've been away, but I'm back to help. Stop this immediately.

TM

I plead peer pressure. I do everything GGG does.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-14-2017 11:38 AM

Re: Epistemic Crisis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511342)
I plead peer pressure. I do everything GGG does.

He is cray- ah - ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

But you already knew that.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-14-2017 11:39 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 511339)
A CNN article quoting people stating why they are still voting for him and/or while he did not do anything wrong is as compelling argument against democracy as there is. Especially in Alabama. I'm know there are good people there but suspension of the right to vote for everyone in the state is the most narrowly tailored remedy we could possibly fashion. We'll let Mississippi advocate on their behalf. And the state auditor???

Alabama state auditor Jim Zeigler used Biblical examples to argue that Moore's relationships were not inappropriate.

"Take the Bible: Zechariah and Elizabeth, for instance," Zeigler said. "Zechariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist. Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus. There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

In the Bible, Joseph was the husband of Mary, but Jesus is conceived through the Holy Spirit. Although Joseph is often popularly depicted as an old man and Mary as a youthful virgin, the Bible does not explicitly mention their ages.
Zechariah and Elizabeth, the parents of John the Baptist, are both described in Luke as "well stricken in years," according to the King James Bible.


There's nothing immoral or illegal about pedophilia? WHAT? WHAT??!??!? Fuck the vote revocation, we're walling off the entire state. Dear Alabama, you voted for Ziegler. Good-bye forever. BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL!

McConnell's end-game has become clear. Come out strong against this asshole now (with the full knowledge that Alabama is so fucking backward that they'll still vote for Moore) so that he can expel him as soon as he tries to take his seat and have the Alabama governor appoint a replacement who he approves and will vote lock-step with the Republican agenda until 2018.

There is nothing about the current Republican Party that is of any value. Nothing.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 11-14-2017 11:42 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511341)
I thought the same thing. This person ran a federal govt department, and advised me otherwise. I don't know whether it's right or wrong (my guess is it's a mix), but this person is pretty credible and moderate.

I do not believe this person you mentioned based on the overwhelming evidence of what my very own eyes and ears witnessed.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-14-2017 11:44 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 511339)
A CNN article quoting people stating why they are still voting for him and/or while he did not do anything wrong is as compelling argument against democracy as there is. Especially in Alabama. I'm know there are good people there but suspension of the right to vote for everyone in the state is the most narrowly tailored remedy we could possibly fashion. We'll let Mississippi advocate on their behalf. And the state auditor???

Alabama state auditor Jim Zeigler used Biblical examples to argue that Moore's relationships were not inappropriate.

"Take the Bible: Zechariah and Elizabeth, for instance," Zeigler said. "Zechariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist. Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus. There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

In the Bible, Joseph was the husband of Mary, but Jesus is conceived through the Holy Spirit. Although Joseph is often popularly depicted as an old man and Mary as a youthful virgin, the Bible does not explicitly mention their ages.
Zechariah and Elizabeth, the parents of John the Baptist, are both described in Luke as "well stricken in years," according to the King James Bible.


There's nothing immoral or illegal about pedophilia? WHAT? WHAT??!??!? Fuck the vote revocation, we're walling off the entire state. Dear Alabama, you voted for Ziegler. Good-bye forever. BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL!


Don't worry, Franklin Graham is praying for Roy, so he'll be ok.

Franklin doesn't seem to be praying for any of the victims, but Breitbart is sending a hit squad to Alabama to attack those harlots.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-14-2017 11:53 AM

Re: Thanks Obama!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511329)
I got picked for a criminal trial (and made foreperson) 3 years ago. Here is my take:

1. People are fucking stupid. One third of the jury wanted to convict on the harshest charge right away without listening to what actions rise to meet the elements of the charge or the judge's instructions. Two jurors wanted to outright acquit right away without even discussing the fucking facts. I had to explain the charges and how a conviction could be met and walk them through how and why the prosecution had to meet their presumption. Again and again and again.

2. People are cruel and selfish. I always thought that, once in that jury room, people would take their duty very seriously. Here is the order of priorities in that room: (1) Getting it over with quickly, (2) Lunch, and finally (3) Coming to the right decision. I'm not sure ours is the worst system, but if it's the best, that is the saddest statement ever made. People are getting fucked by this system left and right--and not just from a racial and class perspective.

3. I eventually got them to the right decision. But I could have made them go any way I wanted them to go. After the decision, we learned the defendant had serious mental problems. So I'm not sure why he was on trial at all. But that's our criminal justice system for you.

TM

Poll one after a civil trial.

Fucking morons. The average American is a venal, self-absorbed, boring, entitled imbecile.

The 80/20 rule applies. A fifth of them are worth listening to, have something unique to say, actually know something useful about that on which they opine, and hold powers of insight rendering their subjective views worthy of consideration.

You will never see an improvement in criminal law until we stop stacking the deck against defendants. I don't care what courthouse you're in -- there's a sometimes subtle, often overt, deference given to the prosecution. In state courts, judges don't fear appeals. In federal court, the rules are geared to fuck defendants, and the cowards who prosecute only pick cases they believe they've a 90% chance of winning. In both venues, the judge and the jury might hear one is innocent until convicted, but in what they observe (denial of motions to exclude evidence, latitude given to prosecutors, etc.), they are led to the conclusion, "This guy's probably guilty of something."

The draconian length of potential sentences alone demonstrates a country with deeply fucked up values. Threatening a kid with 10 years for LSD possession? Putting people away for life on 3 Strikes laws? The threat of thirty years for [insert fed non-violent crime here]?

Our system is as sick and demented as China's and Saudi Arabia's. The only difference is theirs are openly so, while ours is superficially fair. ...Which is satisfactory for the provincial and incurious American voter.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-14-2017 11:56 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511344)
McConnell's end-game has become clear. Come out strong against this asshole now (with the full knowledge that Alabama is so fucking backward that they'll still vote for Moore) so that he can expel him as soon as he tries to take his seat and have the Alabama governor appoint a replacement who he approves and will vote lock-step with the Republican agenda until 2018.

There is nothing about the current Republican Party that is of any value. Nothing.

TM

2. Thought the same exact thing yesterday. Win/win for McConnell. "Look! We in the GOP are actually doing something - something not done since the Civil War - to combat sexual assault!"

Did you just call me Coltrane? 11-14-2017 12:01 PM

Re: Epistemic Crisis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511328)
I know I've been away, but I'm back to help. Stop this immediately.

TM

Typical Crossfitter attitude.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-14-2017 12:10 PM

Re: Epistemic Crisis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511349)
Typical Crossfitter attitude.

New PR, baby!

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane? 11-14-2017 12:18 PM

Re: Epistemic Crisis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 511350)
New PR, baby!

TM

Are you stronger than Don Trump Jr, who (with awful form) recently deadlifted 375?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 11-14-2017 12:19 PM

Re: Thanks Obama!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511347)
Poll one after a civil trial.

Fucking morons. The average American is a venal, self-absorbed, boring, entitled imbecile.

Replace "American" with "human" and you've got it.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-14-2017 12:27 PM

Re: Epistemic Crisis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 511351)
Are you stronger than Don Trump Jr, who (with awful form) recently deadlifted 375?

Ha. On paper? No way.

TM


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