Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Is it the neoliberal economics that did in the Romans in the end? I'm only midway through the third volume of Gibbon, so I haven't made it that far yet.

Anyhoo, I am pretty sure that we do not have a system where the almost only rule is power. Although that word "almost" is a pretty big exception. Like, you could fit the whole legal system through that loophole.

So true! Wait, who's the playa we're hating here?

But there's nothing you care about, right? Every time someone around her cares about something, you remind us that you don't care about it, unlike the cosmopolitan elites and the flyover rubes who don't understand that they're being played by some playa, who you are busy not hating, or failing that by global capitalism and/or robots. It's like nihilism, except that nihilism is actually sort of an ethos, and having one of those requires you to care just a little.

I didn't care about Watergate either, to the best of my recollection, but then again I was like four years old, and I'd like to think I've matured since then.

Whoa. Did you change your tune when she lost the election, or did it come a little later?

Whoa! "Unjust?" Can someone email Sebby and tell him to change his password? When did justice start to come into it?

What does "similarly" mean here? HRC and Trump Jr are similar because they both used email? Because they were both persecuted unjustly? Not following you here.

BTW, if you're actually asking this question in a non-rhetorical sense, the answer increasingly appears to be "yes."

I like "technical crimes". Does that help in sentencing? What crimes are not "technical crimes"?

Like, every one of them until this one. Sorry, I know you were asking a silly, rhetorical question and have forgotten what the world was like before Donald Trump started making us great again, but that's the truth.

One of the reasons is that taking that kind of call leaves you open to blackmail, and most people are smart enough to fear that.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Sorry you didn't like it. Have you read any of his others?

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

She didn't. There was a whole FBI investigation into this, but instead of actually engaging with its findings, you want to cling to your "both sides" narrative.

Which is what you were doing while you were calling her a crook and predicting indictment??

She didn't do that. Her IT vender deleted emails that were deemed irrelevant because they didn't hit on the search terms they used to find the relevant ones.

It does? Weren't you the one telling us that Putin is too smart for that??

All of them, except this one. When someone offered the Obama campaign a briefing book stolen from the Romney campaign*, they called the FBI.

And again, as we've discussed before, you don't do this stuff because it leaves you compromised, but this particular group isn't smart enough to realize that and may well have walked unwittingly treason-like territory.**

*Think those were the facts, but regardless, someone offered the Obama campaign something that was clearly criminally obtained.

**Probably not literal treason in this instance, but having undermined the interest of their country and left themselves open to manipulation by a foreign power.

Re: Lost without him
 

Solitary was not part of the sentence, it was during the investigation, for which the US paid a 7 figure settlement.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

http://iop.harvard.edu/forum/alberta...-what-happened

Re: Lost without him
 

I always thought he got screwed.

Re: Lost without him
 

I have seen fairly closely how the governments treats any number of failures when it comes to maintaining the security of classified documents.

That anyone can take a liar's word and conclude "Well, she said those 30K deleted emails were personal, so OK" or "Bill and Loretta both said they only talked about grandchildren, so NBD" is just as stupid as "Well the Russian lawyer and DJT Jr. both said nothing happened, so what's the problem?"

Re: Lost without him
 

So, you know that lots of people who aren't her, including some who don't work for her, said the same thing, right?

Again, the FBI interview notes are available and have been combed through.

Re: Lost without him
 

Yes, but they also found work related emails in other people's accounts that Team Hillary did not turn over. Per Comey:

“It is highly likely their search terms missed some work-related emails, and that we later found them, for example, in the mailboxes of other officials or in the slack space of a server,” he said. “It is also likely that there are other work-related emails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all emails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.”

We also know for a fact she deleted work-related emails that she did not turn over to the State Department.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

You still just don't get it, man.

TM

Re: Lost without him
 

Because of the way that laws and regulations about the classification and handling of documents work, prosecutors have a lot of discretion -- almost certainly too much, IMO -- about whether and how to go after people over them. They usually don't use that discretion unless they think that people have done something else wrong, in which case it becomes an easy tool to use. In Lee's case, they clearly thought he had done other bad things (and were wrong). In Clinton's case, they clearly didn't, except for those with an ideological/political axe to grind.

Separately, there's the question about what the government does when you have documents that it has asked for, and you must decide which documents to produce. It is absolutely routine for the government to accept a representation that private parties have produced relevant materials and not produced non-relevant materials. It happens all the time with parties who are in an adverse relationship with the government (as opposed to, e.g., having been a cabinet secretary). It is also absolutely routine for emails which have not been produced to the government to be deleted. eta: It is also absolutely routine in large productions for mistakes to be made.

Re: Lost without him
 

Have you ever had anything to do with discovery? Because this is a giant "duh."

Search terms are never perfect. They're a compromise to avoid the expense of human review of every document.

Which isn't perfect either.

She deleted them? No, she did not.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

After the decline and fall, I'd suggest Pirenne's Mohammed & Charlemagne. It's a now dated classic, but its basic theory, that the division of the Mediterranean basis by religion over the course of the 4th to 7th century was the more important historical event compared to the fall of the Romans, is still key to putting Gibbon in context.

Re: Lost without him
 

Fascinating and sad and frightening. I never paid attention to that one somehow.

Re: Lost without him
 

You guys have spent over twenty years beating up on Hillary for just about everything. You won, and Trump is your prize.

Do you really want to try for more prizes like that?

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I think the next items in my queue are Adrienne Mayor's The Poison King, and then Robin Lane Fox's Pagans and Christians, but that sounds good.