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fair and balanced 08-30-2004 04:28 PM

Breaking news
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Anyway, this race is over. It was really over before it began, once nobody in the Democratic leadership complained about the moveon stuff and the intense questioning over Bush's nat'l guard service. Even if you didn't know (at the time) that Kerry would end up as your nominee, you were handicapping him later.


Hello
2. What’s of note here is that the last time JFKerry's had a serious press interview was way back on August 1. Almost a month ago. Coinciding with his radio silence is the fact that the Swifties ran their first ad pointing out his lies and hypocrisy on August 4th.

The question now becomes how long this frog-loving traitor can fly under the radar screen with out his poll numbers falling off the chart. On the opposite hand, given his arrogant elitist slob mannerisms perhaps he is trying to give himself the bump his convention couldn’t by staying invisible. Either way, as Hello points out, it doesn’t matter. This game is all but over, Kerry is circling the toilet bowel as I type.

Meanwhile the "bounce" to Bush from the GOP convention is palpable at this point. The idiot wing of the leftist coalition and their leaders like J.Jackson and M,Moore will no longer be able to stridently whine that “Anyone But Bush”. After this week W will have made his case for 4 more years and then the Dimwits will have to run against a record of leadership with a candidate of lies and traitorous manipulations during the Vietnam War and a Senate record of scant accomplishment.

More fuel for the commie red fires of Kerry’s treason from the National Review:

As John Kerry gets ready to speak to the American Legion on Sept. 1, during the GOP Convention, it is worth recalling some of his earlier comments on that esteemed organization:
We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim. It is from these things the New Soldier is asking America to turn. We are asking America to turn from false glory, hollow victory, fabricated foreign threats, fear which threatens us as a nation, shallow pride which feeds off fear, and mostly from the promises which have proven so deceiving these past ten years.

Those comments came in the epilogue to "The New Soldier," the book put out by Vietnam Veterans against the War. The book's cover features a group of not-particularly sober-looking antiwar protesters (vets, presumably) flying the American flag upside down, with the hygene associated with the protesters in New York City right now.

http://www.nationalreview.com/magazi...3/20040913.jpg

Hank Chinaski 08-30-2004 04:30 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Looks like Bush will get the nomination.
Good one. but we already have a Ty.

Atticus Grinch 08-30-2004 05:22 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Good one. but we already have a Ty.
Not at the moment we don't. We let you fill in for Bilmore, so STFU.

Atticus Grinch 08-30-2004 05:30 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Mummified Canadian goes undiscovered for two years.

Ever notice how this sort of thing happens regularly in Germany or Canada, but never in the U.S. of A.? I think telemarketing scammers are a valuable lifeline to our senior citizens, jarring them awake when they're about the flatline every night.

I, for my part, will be cancelling direct deposit and automatic bill payment. You never know.

bilmore 08-30-2004 05:36 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Mummified Canadian goes undiscovered for two years.
Now I feel stupid. I didn't even read that one - I just assumed it was about Paul Martin.

Secret_Agent_Man 08-30-2004 05:45 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
It took over a year, but thanks for finally busting the sock, Patentgreedy.
I was going to say that this decides the whole gender issue. I'd believe female patent litigator, but I'd be be pretty surprised by any registered patent attorney with implants.

S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man 08-30-2004 05:47 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Oh, I understand. Completely. But still, it's like that moment when you look down and think to yourself for the first time "wow, pocket protectors really are good for your shirts."
Something like my recent experience, as I was reading a free copy of the Wall Street Journal, and I mused "You know, this really is a pretty good paper."

S_A_M

bilmore 08-30-2004 05:50 PM

IOC and Bush
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Something like my recent experience, as I was reading a free copy of the Wall Street Journal, and I mused "You know, this really is a pretty good paper."
Like the first time you think "ooo, cool minivan!"?

Gattigap 08-30-2004 05:51 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I was going to say that this decides the whole gender issue. I'd believe female patent litigator, but I'd be be pretty surprised by any registered patent attorney with implants.

S_A_M
Either that, or we're talking about a female registered patent attorney who represents DuPont and felt compelled to show devotion to the client.

Regardless, the field continues to narrow, no?

Not Me 08-30-2004 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Actually, I'm making a comment about the short-sightedness of many tech companies (in which you claim to be so well versed) from their failure to register.
My point was in regards to your position re: registration. While you have to register your copyright if the country of origin of the work is the US in order to sue for infringement, you don't have to register before the defendant's infringing act. You can register after you find out about the infringement and then still be able to sue for infringement. Now if you don't follow the provisions of section 412, you will lose your ability to get attorneys fees or statutory damages. But you can still get your actual damages.

For a start up with limited to fees to pay attorneys, they may be better off waiting to register until there is infringement. It just depends on how much money they have to pay lawyers. Some don't have much and what they do have is better spent on non-disclosure agreements to protect trade secrets or patents.

Atticus Grinch 08-30-2004 05:57 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Regardless, the field continues to narrow, no?
Yes, it's been an effective pincer movement, like the one that eventually permitted Rommel to break through the Maginot Line to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand and defeat the Australian-Hungary Empire.

If this doesn't get us Ty back, nothing will.

SlaveNoMore 08-30-2004 05:57 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Atticus Grinch
Mummified Canadian goes undiscovered for two years.

Ever notice how this sort of thing happens regularly in Germany or Canada, but never in the U.S. of A.?
Mummified Frenchman tapped as Democratic nominee for President?

Atticus Grinch 08-30-2004 06:00 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Mummified Frenchman tapped as Democratic nominee for President?
Your guy had his first heart attack at age 37 and has been legally dead since 1978, and you pin the zombie label on our guy?

Not Me 08-30-2004 06:04 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I'd be be pretty surprised by any registered patent attorney with implants.
My implants look natural. If you were ever lucky enough to meet me IRL, you would not know I have implants. They aren't big huge fake looking ones.

See people only think the ones that are obviously fake are implants. Good examples are Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox. Both have small natural looking implants. Many people erroneously think that they don't have implants because they don't have huge fake looking implants. Not all implants are large and not all are fake looking.

Gattigap 08-30-2004 06:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
Now if you don't follow the provisions of section 412, you will lose your ability to get attorneys fees or statutory damages. But you can still get your actual damages.
Um, yeah. Hence the "short-sightedness" comment.

I'm saying much the same thing as you, though I haven't gone through the effort of excerpting a chapter of Nimmer to say it. Does this approach work when you employ it at cocktail parties?

Hank Chinaski 08-30-2004 06:20 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I'd be be pretty surprised by any registered patent attorney with implants.
S_A_M
Atticus, can i get a ruling? I'm interpreting this as smart women can't be hot.

SlaveNoMore 08-30-2004 06:23 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Atticus Grinch
Your guy had his first heart attack at age 37 and has been legally dead since 1978, and you pin the zombie label on our guy?
The guy, I might add, that W. Kristol is going around telling people will be replaced by McCain by the end of this convention.

Gattigap 08-30-2004 06:25 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The guy, I might add, that W. Kristol is going around telling people will be replaced by McCain by the end of this convention.
Yeah, like we're gonna believe the predictions of the neocons.

Atticus Grinch 08-30-2004 06:25 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Atticus, can i get a ruling? I'm interpreting this as smart women can't be hot.
May be sexist, but backed up by sufficient anecdotal evidence. The last truly hot woman with a Degree in Science was probably that chick from "Knight Rider" --- and I'm told that shit was fictional anyway.

Maybe he's saying smart women are smart enough to know implants attract the wrong kind of person. Does Eva have straight-up 100% free range sweater meat? I think she's shooting for a higher caliber of man.

Not Me 08-30-2004 06:28 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Um, yeah. Hence the "short-sightedness" comment.
I don't think you represent many software companies if you are taking that position. And I don't think you do much counseling or litigation of copyright cases, either. These start ups only have so much money to spend on lawyers. If it is better spent securing patent protection or dotting the i's and crossing the t's with an NDA to protect their trade secrets, it is not at all short-sighted. It is a business reality for them.

If they don't apply for a patent, they don't get one. If they don't maintain their trade secrets under an obligation of confidentiality, they lose their trade secrets. If they don't register for a copyright, all they lose is attorneys fees they still have copyrights. Now if the company doesn't have enough money for patents, NDAs, and copyright registration, which one would you give up? Assuming they have patentable inventions and trades secrets, the money is better spent on those because if you don't spend the money you either never get the patent or lose the trade secret. With a copyright, you have it regardless of registration. You can register when you need to assert it and all you are isking is attorney's fees. And that is only if you are talking civil actions. For criminal actions for pirated code, the DOJ pays the cost of prosecuting the offenders.

sgtclub 08-30-2004 06:29 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
May be sexist, but backed up by sufficient anecdotal evidence. The last truly hot woman with a Degree in Science was probably that chick from "Knight Rider" --- and I'm told that shit was fictional anyway.
That's true, huh. I can't think of any that would qualify, although I view it as a true lack of effort on the part of the smart chicks. What's wrong, honey, are you TOO GOOD for implants?

Shape Shifter 08-30-2004 06:31 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The guy, I might add, that W. Kristol is going around telling people will be replaced by McCain by the end of this convention.
Why would McCain want the job?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-30-2004 06:35 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The last truly hot woman with a Degree in Science was probably that chick from "Knight Rider" --- and I'm told that shit was fictional anyway.
.
What about a Misfit of Science?

Not Me 08-30-2004 06:36 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
That's true, huh. I can't think of any that would qualify, although I view it as a true lack of effort on the part of the smart chicks. What's wrong, honey, are you TOO GOOD for implants?
I think that they think that it is catering to men's fantasies or conforming to a man's idea of what a woman should look like and they are against that.

I wouldn't have done it if I were doing it to cater to a man's fantasy. I did it so I liked the way I looked better. I like my titties. I am touching them now.

Gattigap 08-30-2004 06:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
I don't think you represent many software companies if you are taking that position. And I don't think you do much counseling or litigation of copyright cases, either. These start ups only have so much money to spend on lawyers. If it is better spent securing patent protection or dotting the i's and crossing the t's with an NDA to protect their trade secrets, it is not at all short-sighted. It is a business reality for them.

If they don't apply for a patent, they don't get one. If they don't maintain their trade secrets under an obligation of confidentiality, they lose their trade secrets. If they don't register for a copyright, all they lose is attorneys fees they still have copyrights. Now if the company doesn't have enough money for patents, NDAs, and copyright registration, which one would you give up? Assuming they have patentable inventions and trades secrets, the money is better spent on those because if you don't spend the money you either never get the patent or lose the trade secret. With a copyright, you have it regardless of registration. You can register when you need to assert it and all you are isking is attorney's fees. And that is only if you are talking civil actions. For criminal actions for pirated code, the DOJ pays the cost of prosecuting the offenders.
Beyond making assumptions about what you think my "position" is, you seem to assume that the legal costs in assisting a client with a copyright registration is either equivalent or comparable to trade secret counseling or patent protection.

Is this the point in the conversation where others tell you that yours is a fascinating point, and they'll be right back as soon as they freshen their drink?

Secret_Agent_Man 08-30-2004 06:37 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Like the first time you think "ooo, cool minivan!"?
Not quite there yet, that's why we have an SUV.

S_A_M

Atticus Grinch 08-30-2004 06:41 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
What about a Misfit of Science?
Courteney Cox was on "Misfits of Science" during the only year it aired: 1985.

Patricia McPherson played Bonnie Barstow through the year "Knight Rider" was cancelled: 1986. So I am technically correct --- the best kind of correct! Whew.

Say_hello_for_me 08-30-2004 06:46 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Yes, it's been an effective pincer movement, like the one that eventually permitted Rommel to break through the Maginot Line to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand and defeat the Australian-Hungary Empire.

If this doesn't get us Ty back, nothing will.
It took a second to get, but well done.

He(Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)llo

sgtclub 08-30-2004 06:46 PM

Tanks for the memories
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
I think that they think that it is catering to men's fantasies or conforming to a man's idea of what a woman should look like and they are against that.

I wouldn't have done it if I were doing it to cater to a man's fantasy. I did it so I liked the way I looked better. I like my titties. I am touching them now.
I view it the same as dying grey hairs, and I can only hope that I am alive to see the day when they will be viewed this way.

Who'd of thunk I'd be a progressive?

Gattigap 08-30-2004 06:51 PM

Slave, Club, where are you?
 
And why haven't you quoted with pride the WSJ op-eds today?

For those of you claiming fidelity to the articles of conservatism, but holding one's nose and voting for Bush, The Conservative Establishment has a message for you: Stay Home!

Quote:

The lesson of British history is that a second Bush term could be more damaging to the Republicans and more beneficial to the Democrats than a Bush defeat. If he secures re-election, President Bush can be relied upon to press on with a foreign policy based on pre-emptive military force, to ignore the impending fiscal crisis (on the Cheney principle that "deficits don't matter") and to pursue socially conservative objectives like the constitutional ban on gay marriage. Anyone who thinks this combination will serve to maintain Republican unity is dreaming; it will do the opposite. Meanwhile, the Dems will have another four years to figure out what the Labour Party finally figured out: It's the candidate, stupid. And when the 2008 Republican candidate goes head-to-head with the American Tony Blair, he will get wiped out.
You know that times are getting tough when the WSJ adopts a "burn the village to save it" philosophy.

bilmore 08-30-2004 06:54 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Not quite there yet, that's why we have an SUV.
Me too. I put that in there to preserve some small measure of my cutting-edge adolescent pride.

What little is left, of course. Much of it was gone after the ten thousandth diaper.

SlaveNoMore 08-30-2004 07:00 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Shape Shifter
Why would McCain want the job?
To become the de-facto heir apparent for the Nomination in 2008 and affect more policy in the short term?

I personally don't see it either, but he sure has been on the stump an awful lot lately.

Gattigap 08-30-2004 07:02 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
To become the de-facto heir apparent for the Nomination in 2008 and affect more policy in the short term?

I personally don't see it either, but he sure has been on the stump an awful lot lately.
I think he can do so simply by campaigning on the stump for him a bit (as he has been), impress party faithful with his, um, faithfulness, and then be around to pick up the pieces if Bush loses.

Not Me 08-30-2004 07:13 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Beyond making assumptions about what you think my "position" is, you seem to assume that the legal costs in assisting a client with a copyright registration is either equivalent or comparable to trade secret counseling or patent protection.
I am well aware of the difference in cost. However, I am also well aware of how strapped for cash these clients can be.

I stand by my assumption that you do not do intellectual property work for start-up software companies.

Shape Shifter 08-30-2004 07:15 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
To become the de-facto heir apparent for the Nomination in 2008 and affect more policy in the short term?

I personally don't see it either, but he sure has been on the stump an awful lot lately.
He may be a bit old by then. He appears to have aged significantly in the past couple of years. If he wants the job in 08, he would probably be the front runner anyway. I don't see him fitting in well with the administration, and a stint as VP may, if anything, harm his front runner status.

Not Me 08-30-2004 07:19 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
To become the de-facto heir apparent for the Nomination in 2008 and affect more policy in the short term?

I personally don't see it either, but he sure has been on the stump an awful lot lately.
I would like to see it, but I think it would take Bigswinging Dick kicking the bucket.

Atticus Grinch 08-30-2004 07:26 PM

Miscellaneous hazard of the Welfare State.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
I would like to see it, but I think it would take Bigswinging Dick kicking the bucket.
Talk about taking one for the team. Once upon a time, you'd simply hop into bed with a dead girl or a live boy, but now you've actually got to die to take a dive from a presidential ticket? Agnew got off easy.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-30-2004 07:28 PM

IOC and Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Not at the moment we don't. We let you fill in for Bilmore, so STFU.
More pictures of perky anti-GOP protesters and I'll come back sooner.

Quote:

Yes, it's been an effective pincer movement, like the one that eventually permitted Rommel to break through the Maginot Line to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand and defeat the Australian-Hungary Empire.
Rommel's writings about WWI infantry tactics are not sufficiently appreciated.

Gattigap 08-30-2004 07:32 PM

Reading material for a slow night
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
There is no "most" despicable.

His entire life is a fabrication of lies. His entire resume is false.
Boy, you are pissed, aren't you?

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Bush served a full 4 years in the Texas Air Nationals dangerously flying combat aircraft and who volunteered for pilot service in Vietnam (and being rejected for not having the requisite experience).
If he flew them dangerously, I guess it's better for all of us that he didn't go.

But seriously, really? He volunteered? I did read about Marc Raicot saying so to NPR, but this is the closest thing I could find.
  • "Had my unit been called up, I'd have gone . . . to Vietnam," Bush said. "I was prepared to go."

    But there was no chance Bush's unit would be ordered overseas. Bush says that toward the end of his training in 1970, he tried to volunteer for overseas duty, asking a commander to put his name on the list for a "Palace Alert" program, which dispatched qualified F-102 pilots in the Guard to the Europe and the Far East, occasionally to Vietnam, on three- to six-month assignments.

    He was turned down on the spot. "I did [ask] – and I was told, 'You're not going,' " Bush said.

    Only pilots with extensive flying time – at the outset, 1,000 hours were required – were sent overseas under the voluntary program. The Air Force, moreover, was retiring the aging F-102s and had ordered all overseas F-102 units closed down as of June 30, 1970.

Bush volunteered for service in a unit that was being wound down (and did shut down months later) and for which Bush could not have qualified in any event.

Youve' become red-faced with rage about the details of Kerry's proximity to Cambodia on Xmas, but you're comfortable with this characterization of "he volunteered?"

sgtclub 08-30-2004 07:33 PM

Slave, Club, where are you?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
And why haven't you quoted with pride the WSJ op-eds today?

For those of you claiming fidelity to the articles of conservatism, but holding one's nose and voting for Bush, The Conservative Establishment has a message for you: Stay Home!



You know that times are getting tough when the WSJ adopts a "burn the village to save it" philosophy.
This was in Friday's hard copy edition. I don't agree with the premise.


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