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Hank Chinaski 07-18-2017 07:02 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 508871)
You're lying. That couldn't possibly be your favorite troll of ppnyc.

TM

I meant when I trolled her. Mostly I just insulted her. I don't remember you trolling so much either. To me trolling implies some false level of sincerity, you know, like we do here with Ty?

ThurgreedMarshall 07-19-2017 10:50 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 508884)
I meant when I trolled her. Mostly I just insulted her. I don't remember you trolling so much either. To me trolling implies some false level of sincerity, you know, like we do here with Ty?

Yes. I wasn't really being serious.

TM

Hank Chinaski 07-19-2017 11:38 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 508885)
Yes. I wasn't really being serious.

TM

I miss her, she united us all.

SEC_Chick 07-19-2017 12:55 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Just when I think Jeff Sessions cannot possibly suck more, the DOJ comes out with its new civil asset forfeiture policy.

Not Bob 07-19-2017 02:52 PM

Your new-caught sullen peoples/half devil and half child*
 
Sebby, read this from Fran Lebowitz** to help you understand what people mean when they use the phrase "white privilege."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE-yK8HU...jpg&name=large

Here's the tweet I got it from.


*Yes, I know that Rudyard was talking about colonialism and the Raj, but it fits.

**Like someone on Twitter said, seeing her name always reminds me of Fawn Lebowitz (of Emily Dickerson College).

ThurgreedMarshall 07-19-2017 03:07 PM

Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 508887)
Just when I think Jeff Sessions cannot possibly suck more, the DOJ comes out with its new civil asset forfeiture policy.

Someone needs to explain this to me. Who, besides law enforcement, thinks this bullshit law is okay? Libertarians sure as hell don't. Minorities don't (as they are the disproportionate targets). Liberals obviously don't. So, who the fuck does? Where is it getting the support?

Also, how the fuck is it that there is a legal concept in which a government actor can seize your property on the suspicion of it being involved in or acquired with the proceeds of a crime and then force the rightful owner to prove that it wasn't? How the fuck is this not a straight up government taking? Is it an exception?

And the legal fallacy that the target of the law is the property and not the person deprived of the property is legal bullshit that should have people picking up torches and pitchforks in anger. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

It makes sense to me that if the government can prove that property was gained with the proceeds of a crime for which the owner has been convicted (before seizing it, of course), then it makes sense that it can be confiscated, auctioned off, etc. But civil asset forfeiture is being used to fucking fund police departments all over the country. Clearly people in the small towns where it is so very popular would prefer to have the minorities driving through fund their police departments. I see that. But cops are well beyond victimizing just them and are abusing this shit all over the place.

I don't get it at all. It seems like a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment. The Supreme Court should have ended it years ago.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-19-2017 03:25 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 508886)
I miss her, she united us all.

sort of the proto-trump.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-19-2017 03:26 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 508889)
Someone needs to explain this to me. Who, besides law enforcement, thinks this bullshit law is okay? Libertarians sure as hell don't. Minorities don't (as they are the disproportionate targets). Liberals obviously don't. So, who the fuck does? Where is it getting the support?

Also, how the fuck is it that there is a legal concept in which a government actor can seize your property on the suspicion of it being involved in or acquired with the proceeds of a crime and then force the rightful owner to prove that it wasn't? How the fuck is this not a straight up government taking? Is it an exception?

And the legal fallacy that the target of the law is the property and not the person deprived of the property is legal bullshit that should have people picking up torches and pitchforks in anger. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

It makes sense to me that if the government can prove that property was gained with the proceeds of a crime for which the owner has been convicted (before seizing it, of course), then it makes sense that it can be confiscated, auctioned off, etc. But civil asset forfeiture is being used to fucking fund police departments all over the country. Clearly people in the small towns where it is so very popular would prefer to have the minorities driving through fund their police departments. I see that. But cops are well beyond victimizing just them and are abusing this shit all over the place.

I don't get it at all. It seems like a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment. The Supreme Court should have ended it years ago.

TM

Be quiet or they'll bulldoze your house.

It's coming. Really. Soon the Bronx will be though of as the West Bank by law enforcement.

SEC_Chick 07-19-2017 03:50 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 508889)
Someone needs to explain this to me. Who, besides law enforcement, thinks this bullshit law is okay? Libertarians sure as hell don't. Minorities don't (as they are the disproportionate targets). Liberals obviously don't. So, who the fuck does? Where is it getting the support?

Also, how the fuck is it that there is a legal concept in which a government actor can seize your property on the suspicion of it being involved in or acquired with the proceeds of a crime and then force the rightful owner to prove that it wasn't? How the fuck is this not a straight up government taking? Is it an exception?

And the legal fallacy that the target of the law is the property and not the person deprived of the property is legal bullshit that should have people picking up torches and pitchforks in anger. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

It makes sense to me that if the government can prove that property was gained with the proceeds of a crime for which the owner has been convicted (before seizing it, of course), then it makes sense that it can be confiscated, auctioned off, etc. But civil asset forfeiture is being used to fucking fund police departments all over the country. Clearly people in the small towns where it is so very popular would prefer to have the minorities driving through fund their police departments. I see that. But cops are well beyond victimizing just them and are abusing this shit all over the place.

I don't get it at all. It seems like a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment. The Supreme Court should have ended it years ago.

TM

I don't disagree with you. I think Sessions is stuck in the 1980's and really, really, really, really, really wants to win the win the war on drugs this time.

Its crap like this that makes "Conservatism isn't racist, we just want less government" a laughingstock. But Sessions was pretty clear about his position in his confirmation hearings and the GOP thought it was okey dokey.

I used to identify as a conservative, rather than a Republican, but now that's been ruined too.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-19-2017 04:01 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 508901)
I don't disagree with you. I think Sessions is stuck in the 1980's and really, really, really, really, really wants to win the win the war on drugs this time.

Its crap like this that makes "Conservatism isn't racist, we just want less government" a laughingstock. But Sessions was pretty clear about his position in his confirmation hearings and the GOP thought it was okey dokey.

I used to identify as a conservative, rather than a Republican, but now that's been ruined too.

Wait, conservatives want less government? Don't tell the military industrial complex.

Adder 07-19-2017 04:07 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 508901)
I don't disagree with you. I think Sessions is stuck in the 1980's and really, really, really, really, really wants to win the win the war on drugs this time.

You're both correct and also wrong about which time period he's stuck in.

SEC_Chick 07-19-2017 04:09 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 508903)
You're both correct and also wrong about which time period he's stuck in.

Typo.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2017 04:20 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 508901)
I don't disagree with you. I think Sessions is stuck in the 1980's and really, really, really, really, really wants to win the win the war on drugs this time.

Its crap like this that makes "Conservatism isn't racist, we just want less government" a laughingstock. But Sessions was pretty clear about his position in his confirmation hearings and the GOP thought it was okey dokey.

I used to identify as a conservative, rather than a Republican, but now that's been ruined too.

I think he's the kind of person who likes it when government reinforces traditional social hierarchies. He's not going to win the war on drugs, but he's into the fighting of it.

Hank Chinaski 07-19-2017 04:49 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 508905)
I think he's the kind of person who likes it when government reinforces traditional social hierarchies. He's not going to win the war on drugs, but he's into the fighting of it.

Did you post this at 4:20 to be funny?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-19-2017 04:50 PM

Re: Civil Asset Forfeiture
 
This is the America Red States Want:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE-V3DWXUAAeJJo.jpg:large


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