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sgtclub 09-02-2004 06:13 PM

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Flist=list of people she's reading

lj=acronym for the other community, and no you can't have my name
tell her to go to instapundit - he links to all of the good ones, and some on the left as well.

bilmore 09-02-2004 06:14 PM

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tell her to go to instapundit - he links to all of the good ones, and some on the left as well.
Yeah, if the question is simply, a good con blog, he's sort of the gold standard.

Instapundit.com

Replaced_Texan 09-02-2004 06:15 PM

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So it leaves me with the question - what does "syndicated on lj" mean?

Is this a limitation? Or are you merely asking for recs for good con blogs?

(ETA: People would look at me funny if I had your name.)
a lot of blogs are syndicated in the community. I'll just give her a list and she can figure out if they're syndicated or not. Most of the big ones and a lot of the little ones are.

Sexual Harassment Panda 09-02-2004 06:21 PM

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Not sure. But, are you saying that Kerry campaigned hard in '84 using his professed desire to kill all those systems, won, and then went on to vote FOR them all? I mean, that memo seems pretty unequivocal.
No, I'm sure he voted against SOME weapons systems, but I question Miller's contention that he specifically voted to kill everything Miller listed last night. As I understand it, you're saying that Slave's list proves that Miller was 100% correct.

Along these lines, as long as you're willing to enter into evidence FactCheck.org pages, this page address Slave's memo specifically.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?DocID=147

"And Republicans go too far when they claim that Kerry voted against such mainstay weapons of today's military as the M-1 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and the Patriot missile. These claims are misleading because they rest on Kerry's votes against the entire Pentagon appropriations bills in 1990 and 1995. Kerry also voted against the Pentagon authorization bills (which provide authority to spend but not the actual money) in those years and also in 1996. But none of those were votes against specific weapons systems. Kerry's critics might just as well say he was voting to fire the entire Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps."

Replaced_Texan 09-02-2004 06:27 PM

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tell her to go to instapundit - he links to all of the good ones, and some on the left as well.
Thank you! And thank you also bilmore!

SlaveNoMore 09-02-2004 06:31 PM

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Not sure. But, are you saying that Kerry campaigned hard in '84 using his professed desire to kill all those systems, won, and then went on to vote FOR them all? I mean, that memo seems pretty unequivocal.
Flip-Flop

Not Bob 09-02-2004 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Here is some back-up on his anti-defense campaigning over the years.

Do the Dems have enough time to do a Torricelli and get this lead balloon off the ticket??
Well, here's the 1984 list from the site slave linked to:
  • NUCLEAR FORCES
    * MX Missile --- Cancel --- $5.0 billion
    * B-1 Bomber --- Cancel --- $8.0 billion
    * Anti-satellite system --- Cancel --- $ 99 million
    * Star Wars [sic] --- Cancel --- $1.3 billion
    * Tomahawk Missile --- Reduce by 50 per cent --- $294 million

    LAND FORCES
    * AH-64 Helicopters --- Cancel --- $1.4 billion
    * Division Air Defense Gun (DIVAD) --- Cancel --- $638 million
    * Patriot Air Defense Missile --- Cancel --- $1.3 billion

    NAVAL FORCES
    * Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser --- Cancel --- $800 million
    * Battleship Reactivation --- Cancel --- $453 million

    AIRCRAFT
    * AV-8B Vertical Takeoff and Landing Aircraft --- Cancel --- $1.0 billion
    * F-15 Fighter Aircraft --- Cancel --- $2.3 billion
    * F-14A Fighter Aircraft --- Cancel --- $1.0 billion
    * F-14D Fighter Aircraft --- Cancel --- $286 million
    * Phoenix Air-to-Air Missile --- Cancel --- $432 million
    * Sparrow Air-to-Air Missile

Assuming that this is accurate, and that Kerry wanted to get rid of all of the fundining, I'd have to say that he was right on:

the MX (expensive and vulnerable -- remember Dense Pack? the MX trains? Jesus. only a first-strike weapon -- Midgetman and the Trident SLBMs were a much better deterant);

the B-1 (more expensive and less effective than cruise missiles for the air portion of the three sided nuclear force, and virtually useless for conventional munitions)

Star Wars (no comment necessary)

DIVAD a/k/a the Sergeant York anti-aircraft system (didn't even work in rigged tests, and which was finally killed by the second Reagan Administration -- or maybe Bush I -- despite wailing of the contractors)

Battleship reactivation (hey, the gazillians we spent for the New Jersey really came in quite handy for pounding the Druze militia in Lebanon in 1984, didn't it?).

AV-8B Vertical Takeoff and Landing Aircraft --don't remeber this one. May have been a replacement for the Harrier that didn't work.

SlaveNoMore 09-02-2004 06:35 PM

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sgtclub
tell her to go to instapundit - he links to all of the good ones, and some on the left as well.
The Corner on National Review Online is also quite good.

2 months ago, I would have recommended Sullivan, but since then, I think he drank some spiked Kool-Aid or something.

Hank Chinaski 09-02-2004 06:36 PM

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Well, here's the 1984 list from the site slave linked to:
  • NUCLEAR FORCES
    * MX Missile --- Cancel --- $5.0 billion
    * B-1 Bomber --- Cancel --- $8.0 billion
    * Anti-satellite system --- Cancel --- $ 99 million
    * Star Wars [sic] --- Cancel --- $1.3 billion
    * Tomahawk Missile --- Reduce by 50 per cent --- $294 million

    LAND FORCES
    * AH-64 Helicopters --- Cancel --- $1.4 billion
    * Division Air Defense Gun (DIVAD) --- Cancel --- $638 million
    * Patriot Air Defense Missile --- Cancel --- $1.3 billion

    NAVAL FORCES
    * Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser --- Cancel --- $800 million
    * Battleship Reactivation --- Cancel --- $453 million

    AIRCRAFT
    * AV-8B Vertical Takeoff and Landing Aircraft --- Cancel --- $1.0 billion
    * F-15 Fighter Aircraft --- Cancel --- $2.3 billion
    * F-14A Fighter Aircraft --- Cancel --- $1.0 billion
    * F-14D Fighter Aircraft --- Cancel --- $286 million
    * Phoenix Air-to-Air Missile --- Cancel --- $432 million
    * Sparrow Air-to-Air Missile

Assuming that this is accurate, and that Kerry wanted to get rid of all of the fundining, I'd have to say that he was right on:

the MX (expensive and vulnerable -- remember Dense Pack? the MX trains? Jesus. only a first-strike weapon -- Midgetman and the Trident SLBMs were a much better deterant);

the B-1 (more expensive and less effective than cruise missiles for the air portion of the three sided nuclear force, and virtually useless for conventional munitions)

Star Wars (no comment necessary)

DIVAD a/k/a the Sergeant York anti-aircraft system (didn't even work in rigged tests, and which was finally killed by the second Reagan Administration -- or maybe Bush I -- despite wailing of the contractors)

Battleship reactivation (hey, the gazillians we spent for the New Jersey really came in quite handy for pounding the Druze militia in Lebanon in 1984, didn't it?).

AV-8B Vertical Takeoff and Landing Aircraft --don't remeber this one. May have been a replacement for the Harrier that didn't work.
1 cruise missiles are on the list.
2 your point is well taken. lots of these things aren't worth the money. but you didn't really hit all of the cuts.
3 why do you think Star Wars isn't worth mentioning?

sgtclub 09-02-2004 06:37 PM

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Assuming that this is accurate, and that Kerry wanted to get rid of all of the fundining, I'd have to say that he was right on:
OK, than he should take credit for that. Yes I voted against these programs and I was right to do so. Dollars to doughnuts he won't.

eft

Replaced_Texan 09-02-2004 06:38 PM

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The Corner on National Review Online is also quite good.

2 months ago, I would have recommended Sullivan, but since then, I think he drank some spiked Kool-Aid or something.
She linked to Sullivan on Zell Miller's speech earlier, so I think that's covered, but thanks for the Corner link!

sgtclub 09-02-2004 06:39 PM

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2 months ago, I would have recommended Sullivan, but since then, I think he drank some spiked Kool-Aid or something.
Agreed. Something happended to him. I can't even read the site any longer.

Shape Shifter 09-02-2004 06:39 PM

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Flip-Flop
And what was W doing in '84?

sgtclub 09-02-2004 06:40 PM

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And what was W doing in '84?
Coke.

baltassoc 09-02-2004 06:45 PM

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"...But none of those were votes against specific weapons systems. Kerry's critics might just as well say he was voting to fire the entire Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps."
So you ADMIT it now! You think America should vote for someone who has supported the systematic dismantelling of the entire US Armed Forces! Why then, even the French would have a shot at conquering us (not a good shot, unless Kerry also succeedes in destroying the Second Amendment and pries my gun from my cold dead hands).

Not Bob 09-02-2004 06:45 PM

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1 cruise missiles are on the list.
2 your point is well taken. lots of these things aren't worth the money. but you didn't really hit all of the cuts. why do you think Star Wars isn't worth mentioning?
1. Cruise missiles were listed as having funding reduced, not eliminated.

2. (a) I'm not quite sure what the list is -- I doubt that it is a list of programs he wanted eliminated in 1984, as opposed to funding he wanted eliminated/reduced in 1984. As Dick Cheney said in 1992, "you've directed me to buy more M1s, F14s, and F16s—all great systems … but we have enough of them." See http://www.slate.com/id/2106119/

Kerry, like a lot of Democrats in 1984, may well have thought that the large build-up in defense spending that began after Ivan rolled into Afghanistan was enough to meet the threats we were facing at the time.

(b) Star Wars isn't worth mentioning because I don't think that an attack on Kerry for opposing it would hurt his chances of being elected.

Not Bob 09-02-2004 06:48 PM

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OK, than he should take credit for that. Yes I voted against these programs and I was right to do so. Dollars to doughnuts he won't.

eft
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Zell mentioned DIVAD last night.

Shape Shifter 09-02-2004 06:50 PM

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Coke.
And now he's against it? Bush flip flopped!

sgtclub 09-02-2004 07:00 PM

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And now he's against it? Bush flip flopped!
He was for it before he was against it.

Hank Chinaski 09-02-2004 07:01 PM

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And now he's against it? Bush flip flopped!
It wasn't a flip flop, there's a good explaination. the decision came as part of a funding cut. Further coke purchases were bundled in an expenditure package with having to hire a divorce lawyer. It wasn't the coke he was electing not to buy. Did Laura take cocaine- i haven't heard her tied to it, but they were married.

SlaveNoMore 09-02-2004 07:09 PM

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And what was W doing in '84?
Sitting down with his dad, the Israelis, the Saudis and the heads of Texaco, Exxon and BP laying out the groundwork for (1) a bloody attack on American soil, (2) an Afghan gas pipeline, and (3) an imperialist takeover of the world's oil supply.

At least in the movie version anyway.

SlaveNoMore 09-02-2004 07:11 PM

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Coke.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.

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taxwonk 09-02-2004 07:14 PM

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right. you got mad. that answers the question.




Now you ignored my point. Air Force selects Jet co. A because its proposal for a jet with new technology allowing it to do X is better than Jet co. B's proposal for a Jet to do Y. that was competitive. Air Force picked X over Y. Co A owns X. You can't bid it out.
I didn't ignore your point. I didn't fully grasp it. Non-competitive bidding in such cases makes sense. However, there are numerous contracts where your point on proprietary technological superiority doesn't apply. In such cases, there really isn't any reason for not using competitive bidding.

Much like democracy, it's a lousy system, except for all the others.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 09-02-2004 07:19 PM

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Sitting down with his dad, the Israelis, the Saudis and the heads of Texaco, Exxon and BP laying out the groundwork for (1) a bloody attack on American soil, (2) an Afghan gas pipeline, and (3) an imperialist takeover of the world's oil supply.

At least in the movie version anyway.
Was this before or after his dad secretly flew to Iran in the SR-71 (most of which only had 1 seat)? I always get this mixed up...

Sexual Harassment Panda 09-02-2004 08:21 PM

Shortly after his speech to the RNC, and after challenging Chris Matthews to a duel, Zell Miller apparently went out on the town and drank the blood of the living.

http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/vampire_zell.jpg

Dave 09-02-2004 08:22 PM

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And now he's against it? Bush flip flopped!
Dissent. He may or may not have been on it, but you haven't proven he was for it. And remember this when you try and counter the point -- this is the PB, where only links to blogs count as proof.

SlaveNoMore 09-02-2004 08:39 PM

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Sexual Harassment Panda
Shortly after his speech to the RNC, and after challenging Chris Matthews to a duel, Zell Miller apparently went out on the town and drank the blood of the living.

http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/vampire_zell.jpg
Democrats can sure get bitter when one of their own turns on them

SlaveNoMore 09-02-2004 09:07 PM

Speaking of Zell
 
Quote of the day:

From Ramesh Ponnuru:

MEMO TO ROBERT BYRD
"One thing we've learned from the reaction to Zell Miller: If Senator Byrd ever switches parties, suddenly everyone is going to remember that he was a Klansman"

Sexual Harassment Panda 09-02-2004 09:08 PM

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Democrats can sure get bitter when one of their own turns on them
He's a Republican. Hasn't attended a Democratic party meeting since he came to Washington as a senator. He just never got around to filing the paperwork.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 09-02-2004 09:09 PM

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Democrats can sure get bitter when one of their own turns on them
For the "inclusive" party, they sure seem intolerant of different views in their own ranks...

Atticus Grinch 09-02-2004 10:17 PM

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For the "inclusive" party, they sure seem intolerant of different views in their own ranks...
We think it's indecorous to endorse the other party's candidate and speak at his convention, and that means we're bigoted?

All indications are that Bilmore is a turncoat, if you look back far enough, but we still love him like a brother. We just want him to stop voting. And talking. Same with Zell.

etfp

Atticus Grinch 09-02-2004 10:27 PM

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Democrats can sure get bitter when one of their own turns on them
Naw, we're just eerily prescient (see, e.g., WMD & "let the inspections work"). I thought Reagan was a dick back when he was a Dem working for Nixon.* Turns out I was right about him.

You got all exercised about the fair play of beating Ashcroft with a dead guy, but not a peep about Rodney Alexander? It's like you only sober up and post when your ox is being gored.

*This is a joke. In 1960 I could easily have perished in a nocturnal emission. I was one of the lucky ones who survived the entire Vietnam Era safely ensconced in a 4-F's vas deferens.

Hank Chinaski 09-02-2004 11:09 PM

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Naw, we're just eerily prescient (see, e.g., WMD & "let the inspections
Wow. You seem like you realy understand the UN. Do you think the new chastising of Syria is real, or just a way to replace the oil for food kickback $$$ the Annan family lost?

bilmore 09-02-2004 11:21 PM

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2 months ago, I would have recommended Sullivan, but since then, I think he drank some spiked Kool-Aid or something.
I suspect you and I have mirror image Favorites lists.

bilmore 09-02-2004 11:22 PM

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Agreed. Something happended to him. I can't even read the site any longer.
Sullivan's gay. How could he do anything other than what he did?

bilmore 09-02-2004 11:25 PM

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However, there are numerous contracts where your point on proprietary technological superiority doesn't apply. In such cases, there really isn't any reason for not using competitive bidding.
So, you completely ignored my post about bidding in vendors for large-scale services for multiyear periods?

So, WTF do I bother for? I read YOUR posts!

bilmore 09-02-2004 11:29 PM

Erratta
 
I suspect doctors are over-represented in this convention crowd.

Not Me 09-02-2004 11:46 PM

Fighting Terrorists Abroad so that We Don't Have to Fight Them Here
 
That is a winner of a line. Tommy Franks said it in his speech, too.

Iraq = fly paper. I invented that.

I agree with Club. They do read this board.

bilmore 09-02-2004 11:54 PM

Who the fuck ever convinced - who was it . . brokaw? one of those other fluffy-hairs? - that they had the power and the right to break in on a Presidential speech to soto voce announce that there are protestors in attendance who disagree with the speech being given?


What fucking gall.

Fuck you, you slimey partisan piece of "we're just reporting" shit.

Atticus, the "bias" ball is in your court. Go sit with the shithead and defend him.

Not Me 09-02-2004 11:59 PM

Latest Job Approval Ratings
 
Did you catch the latest GWB job approval poll? Over 50%. And that was before the convention bounce. I am predicting a 3-5 point bounce, which is alot given that the truly undecideds are few and far between.

Carl Rove or whoever it was who came up with the idea to run the RNC styled more as a challenger convention instead of an incumbent convention, was a genius.

ETA - and whoever came up with the idea that it was a good idea to have the DNC revolve around Kerry's Vietmnam war record obviously didn't vet Kerry's Vietnam war record. Or listen to his 1971 senate testimony.


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