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Gattigap 10-05-2004 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Tomorrow's headlines, brought to you today:

From the NYT:

"Young Senator Edwards attacks angry, bitter Cheney on Halliburton, Iraq quagmire"

From the NY Post:

"Vice President exposes Edwards' utter lack of foreign policy knowledge"

From ESPN:

"Curse Continues; Angels Romp"
From Drudge:

"Cheney held in undisclosed location after found strangling Rumsfeld and Bremer for going horribly off-message just prior to debate"

Tyrone Slothrop 10-05-2004 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I see 154 in red (and thats conceding FL). Where are you getting 321?

PA will go Dem, even if the votes go for the GOP. Whoever colored it pink doesn't know the machine in these parts very well.
Hank is getting this map from http://www.electoral-vote.com, which updates daily. The site has a lot more information on it, including a little box for each state with the latest polling data.

As I posted yesterday, the site just changed its methodology to reflect a rolling average rather the most recent poll for a given state. This appears to have yielded some odd results -- for example, Michigan is shown as a tie, but I don't remember seeing a poll showing Bush leading there for a while. But the bottom line is that the information reflected there is less current now than it was a few days ago.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-05-2004 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Why are you looking to Safire? Kerry's says as much every other fucking day of the week.
As compared to that doddering imbecile your boys chucked on the stage last week? Fuck, they better pump more than half hour's worth of soundbites into the Ipod Karl implanted in W's head if they plan to get thorugh the next one. Johnny might be a stiff, but even Joe Sixpack gets agita when he sees the head guy sputtering like a chimp with a head full of malt liquor.

Lets quit giving your boy (and possibly my boy) the benefit of the "soft bigotry of low expectations" afforded him because he's a "homesy honest fellow" and talk candidly about what a person of his stature should have done in a debate. He should have been able to fucking speak. he should have had more than soudbite replies. he should have realized that even Cooter at home on his couch, picking link from his ass crack, can see through 4th grade level repetitive bullshit. Bush shit the bed. Had he been up against someone who could communicate like Reagan or Clinton, he'd be down five points. Kerry may be Gore II, but he's got piles more native intelligence than Bush, and he might just learn from last week. God help that babboon your party (and mine) elected if Kerry somehow miraculously learns to "connect" on economic issues and bitchslaps monkey boy in the town hall debate. Likely? Probably not. But is Bush a new low? Did he embarrass the shit out of himself last week? Absolutely. Now even the rubes know their candidate's a dipshit. So go ahead and support him as part of the party line, but don't insult anyone's intelligence by auggesting he's actually a good candidate. The man's in further over his head than anyone in history.

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2004 02:34 PM
Good Work Building Those Alliances
 
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I love Texas and Texans. But it's more for lines like this. Not very ladylike, Ms. Fringe.
You know, driving back from lunch, I realized that my being a lawful handgun owner would have resulted in about six or seven shootings. The shootings would have been wholely and completely justified, but it would have been a pain in the ass to explain why certain moron drivers needed to be put out of their misery.

SlaveNoMore 10-05-2004 02:36 PM
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sebastian_dangerfield
As compared to that doddering imbecile your boys chucked on the stage last week? Fuck, they better pump more than half hour's worth of soundbites into the Ipod Karl implanted in W's head if they plan to get thorugh the next one. Johnny might be a stiff, but even Joe Sixpack gets agita when he sees the head guy sputtering like a chimp with a head full of malt liquor.

Lets quit giving your boy (and possibly my boy) the benefit of the "soft bigotry of low expectations" afforded him because he's a "homesy honest fellow" and talk candidly about what a person of his stature should have done in a debate. He should have been able to fucking speak. he should have had more than soudbite replies. he should have realized that even Cooter at home on his couch, picking link from his ass crack, can see through 4th grade level repetitive bullshit. Bush shit the bed. Had he been up against someone who could communicate like Reagan or Clinton, he'd be down five points. Kerry may be Gore II, but he's got piles more native intelligence than Bush, and he might just learn from last week. God help that babboon your party (and mine) elected if Kerry somehow miraculously learns to "connect" on economic issues and bitchslaps monkey boy in the town hall debate. Likely? Probably not. But is Bush a new low? Did he embarrass the shit out of himself last week? Absolutely. Now even the rubes know their candidate's a dipshit. So go ahead and support him as part of the party line, but don't insult anyone's intelligence by auggesting he's actually a good candidate. The man's in further over his head than anyone in history.
Lay off the fucking caffeine, PJ.

Gattigap 10-05-2004 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bush shit the bed.
Board motto!

Say_hello_for_me 10-05-2004 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Board motto!
Let's see how many people you can get to pile on in agreement! If you can get 10, I'll be the 11th. Can 10 anonymous lawyers on an internet chatroom be wrong?

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2004 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As compared to that doddering imbecile your boys chucked on the stage last week? Fuck, they better pump more than half hour's worth of soundbites into the Ipod Karl implanted in W's head if they plan to get thorugh the next one. Johnny might be a stiff, but even Joe Sixpack gets agita when he sees the head guy sputtering like a chimp with a head full of malt liquor.

Lets quit giving your boy (and possibly my boy) the benefit of the "soft bigotry of low expectations" afforded him because he's a "homesy honest fellow" and talk candidly about what a person of his stature should have done in a debate. He should have been able to fucking speak. he should have had more than soudbite replies. he should have realized that even Cooter at home on his couch, picking link from his ass crack, can see through 4th grade level repetitive bullshit. Bush shit the bed. Had he been up against someone who could communicate like Reagan or Clinton, he'd be down five points. Kerry may be Gore II, but he's got piles more native intelligence than Bush, and he might just learn from last week. God help that babboon your party (and mine) elected if Kerry somehow miraculously learns to "connect" on economic issues and bitchslaps monkey boy in the town hall debate. Likely? Probably not. But is Bush a new low? Did he embarrass the shit out of himself last week? Absolutely. Now even the rubes know their candidate's a dipshit. So go ahead and support him as part of the party line, but don't insult anyone's intelligence by auggesting he's actually a good candidate. The man's in further over his head than anyone in history.
I believe that this is why Bush is going to give a "major" speech on Wednesday. Opposite the Yankees/Twins second meeting. Thankfully, the Astros will have already played, so I can give my full and proper attention.

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2004 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Hank is getting this map from http://www.electoral-vote.com, which updates daily. The site has a lot more information on it, including a little box for each state with the latest polling data.

As I posted yesterday, the site just changed its methodology to reflect a rolling average rather the most recent poll for a given state. This appears to have yielded some odd results -- for example, Michigan is shown as a tie, but I don't remember seeing a poll showing Bush leading there for a while. But the bottom line is that the information reflected there is less current now than it was a few days ago.
Yes but my point was that yesterday Bush was 30 e-votes lower. that is post debate and post chnage in methodology.

Gattigap 10-05-2004 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I believe that this is why Bush is going to give a "major" speech on Wednesday. Opposite the Yankees/Twins second meeting. Thankfully, the Astros will have already played, so I can give my full and proper attention.
Interesting. Gerson must be burning the midnight oil.

In other news, from the article:
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"There has been an attempt by the president's opponent to launch false attacks and mislead the American people on these big priorities," the paper quotes White House press secretary Scott McClellan as saying. "There are some big differences facing the American people, and the president wants to highlight those differences."
I understand the tactical advantages to speaking only in titles, but unless Bush is really referring to Nade here, I think the mystery is over. People have heard that some Senator from MA is the Democratic nominee.

Shape Shifter 10-05-2004 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Board motto!
2. And I think we can go ahead and count atticus in for this one.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-05-2004 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Yes but my point was that yesterday Bush was 30 e-votes lower. that is post debate and post chnage in methodology.
And my point is that if you read the words below the map, it sounds like he's still messing with the methodology. I agree with you that the map looks good for Bush. I don't believe it means much just now, but whatever.

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2004 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And my point is that if you read the words below the map, it sounds like he's still messing with the methodology. I agree with you that the map looks good for Bush. I don't believe it means much just now, but whatever.
Which, if you read my prior post, is exactly what I said.

SlaveNoMore 10-05-2004 02:53 PM
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Replaced_Texan
I believe that this is why Bush is going to give a "major" speech on Wednesday. Opposite the Yankees/Twins second meeting. Thankfully, the Astros will have already played, so I can give my full and proper attention.
He's giving a big speech in PA to rev up his numbers there. What is the big deal?

More telling is Kerry conceding Virginia and moving his troops to Minnesota and Wisconsin - two blue states.

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2004 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Which, if you read my prior post, is exactly what I said.
and this, by the way, is the only true candidate for board motto so far today.....


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