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Atticus Grinch 06-01-2005 01:21 AM
A Gift
 
Quote:
Originally posted by paigowprincess
Did you see [Mario Cantone's] recent standup on HBO? I have not but thought he was funny in SATC.
Every time I start to think you can't possibly get wronger, you do.

Atticus Grinch 06-01-2005 01:44 AM
Deep Throat
 
Quote:
Originally posted by NotFromHere
Not exactly what you picture when you hear "Deep Throat" but, finally out of the bag.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Co...roat_1005a.jpg
The ellipses leave open the possibility that this whole thing is a huge misunderstanding.

Dollars to donuts Donald Moffat will play him in the inevitable TV movie.

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Replaced_Texan 06-01-2005 12:58 PM
Summertime poll
 
What's your indication that summer is here?

Some friends of mine were talking about how it's not summer until they hear the Fresh Prince's Summertime on the radio.

I'm more likely to simply think of the Memorial Day holiday weekend as the start of summer, since it's quite possible that I'd been swealtering in the heat for several weeks previously. This year, my air conditioning has been on only since May 9, but we've already hit the 90s several times.

I'm more likely, though, to die of hypothermia than heat exhaustion. Air conitioning is set at sub-arctic levels around here right now.

taxwonk 06-01-2005 01:04 PM
Another one from the bad plastic surgery files
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
She's 29, and no plastic surgery. Why the fuck am I suddenly the poster boy for men who puch PS on their wives? I think it looks freakish, especially when done by a hack (like that Tylo woman above, or Jocylen Wildenstein). Sheesh!

ETA: Jocelyn Wildenstein

http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume0...ildenstein.jpg
She looks like the Elephant Man in drag.

robustpuppy 06-01-2005 01:08 PM
Summertime poll
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
What's your indication that summer is here?

Some friends of mine were talking about how it's not summer until they hear the Fresh Prince's Summertime on the radio.

I'm more likely to simply think of the Memorial Day holiday weekend as the start of summer, since it's quite possible that I'd been swealtering in the heat for several weeks previously. This year, my air conditioning has been on only since May 9, but we've already hit the 90s several times.

I'm more likely, though, to die of hypothermia than heat exhaustion. Air conitioning is set at sub-arctic levels around here right now.
Smells -- the first whiff of fragrant vines - honeysuckle, or the one on my neighbor's fence that I can't think of the name of right now. Honeysuckle is an esp. strong indicator for me because the house on the corner by my elementary school bus stop had a huge honeysuckle, and I will forever associate that smell with the feeling of freedom that starts in early June, with half days of school, field days, and the sight of papers flying out of school buses. (Similarly, the smell of crayons and Elmer's Glue transport me to fall at any time of year.)

Also, of course, the smell of burning Kingsford.

ETA Coppertone.

taxwonk 06-01-2005 01:10 PM
A Gift
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
Because she's not bad; she's just drawn that way.

Oh, and paigow, did you see "Empire Falls" on HBO? What did you think? I like Ed Harris, but I don't think that he was a good choice -- Miles is supposed to be a bit of a schlub, and Ed is too cool and handsome for the role. I never would have thought of casting Dennis Farina as Walt, but he's got the perfect blend of aging cockiness.
I know this was directed at Paigow, but I figured I'd throw down too. I was very disappointed. Helen Hunt's terrible Maine accent was overshadowed only by the fact that her face has gotten so thin and drawn she looks like a corpse. Paul Newman was okay, but I think he overplayed the role. And all in all, the adaptation just didn't draw out the characters the way it should have. The narrator was given that function, and the movie suffered terribly for it.

NotFromHere 06-01-2005 01:11 PM
Deep Throat
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The ellipses leave open the possibility that this whole thing is a huge misunderstanding.

Dollars to donuts Donald Moffat will play him in the inevitable TV movie.

http://secondscouteaux.prosygma-serv...gnettes/20.jpg
So they interviewed the neighbors yesterday. Most of them saying they still think he's a good guy and are OK with what he did. Some of them, however, think that he betrayed his position by exposing a huge conspiracy that no one really knew the extent until the leakage. Nixon lovers.

That said, he seems truly happy to have the weight of the secret off his shoulders.

NotFromHere 06-01-2005 01:18 PM
Summertime poll
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
What's your indication that summer is here?

Some friends of mine were talking about how it's not summer until they hear the Fresh Prince's Summertime on the radio.

I'm more likely to simply think of the Memorial Day holiday weekend as the start of summer, since it's quite possible that I'd been swealtering in the heat for several weeks previously. This year, my air conditioning has been on only since May 9, but we've already hit the 90s several times.

I'm more likely, though, to die of hypothermia than heat exhaustion. Air conitioning is set at sub-arctic levels around here right now.
Interesting. There are many songs that remind me of summer, but the one that really nails it is All Day Music by War. I know it's really old, but the radio stations seem to play it every year.

NotFromHere 06-01-2005 01:33 PM
Headline News
 
OK trying for the trifecta.

49ers diversity training film offends entire city.

The San Francisco 49ers' front office is under fire for an in-house training video that including lesbian porn, off-color racial jokes, a parody of gay marriage, topless blondes, and star linebacker Julian Peterson playing the part of a panhandler,the San Francisco Chronicle reported Wednesday.
The video was shown to 49ers players last year at the team's training camp in Santa Clara after a diversity workshop, which Reynolds organized after an anti-homosexual comment by running back Garrison Hearst.

Excerpts - in one scene, a topless, lesbian wedding takes place at the city's famed Mitchell Brothers' O'Farrell Theater and administered by Reynolds, who acts as the mayor.

"I know the courts say we can't do this," Reynolds says in the film, "but like my predecessor, we make our own rules here in San Francisco.''

After the the couple takes their vows, they drop to the floor and engage in serious petting. One of them says, "Go 49ers'' as the camera turns away.

In a scene in Chinatown, then-team trainer and martial arts expert George Chung — wearing glasses and with buck teeth — translates an article in an Asian newspaper:

"Tim Latte (Rattay, a Niners quarterback)," Chung says. "He feel good now. He feeling good. No plactice with the team, so most of the time he play with himself."

Chung later says, "49ers love being in community. Very patriotic . . . support president and his George Bush erection."

"Erection?" Reynolds asks.

"Yes," Chung responds. "It say, ‘You like Bush — then you like his erection.'"

Chung also says, "My name is Suck Hung. My brother's name is Suck Young — my whole family suck."

In the final scene, Reynolds gives a final set of instructions in a dressing room in which there are three topless blondes. He says, "what you do is not only a reflection of yourself. It's a reflection of the San Francisco 49ers."

The women then throw themselves all over Reynolds for a group hug.

Public relations director Kirk Reynolds, who developed the video, is now looking for a new job.

Man, talk about offending an entire city.

http://sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures...aining3388.jpg

Replaced_Texan 06-01-2005 01:48 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by NotFromHere
OK trying for the trifecta.

49ers diversity training film offends entire city.

The San Francisco 49ers' front office is under fire for an in-house training video that including lesbian porn, off-color racial jokes, a parody of gay marriage, topless blondes, and star linebacker Julian Peterson playing the part of a panhandler,the San Francisco Chronicle reported Wednesday.
I like the paper's disclaimer on the video
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pony_trekker 06-01-2005 01:51 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by NotFromHere
OK trying for the trifecta.

49ers diversity training film offends entire city.

http://sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures...aining3388.jpg
Maybe they should concentrate on not sucking ass next year?

pony_trekker 06-01-2005 01:52 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I like the paper's disclaimer on the video
At least they had the sense to have one video as just the lesbians.

notcasesensitive 06-01-2005 01:56 PM
Summertime poll
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
What's your indication that summer is here?

Some friends of mine were talking about how it's not summer until they hear the Fresh Prince's Summertime on the radio.

I'm more likely to simply think of the Memorial Day holiday weekend as the start of summer, since it's quite possible that I'd been swealtering in the heat for several weeks previously. This year, my air conditioning has been on only since May 9, but we've already hit the 90s several times.

I'm more likely, though, to die of hypothermia than heat exhaustion. Air conitioning is set at sub-arctic levels around here right now.
My measure used to be when women started walking around in open-toed shoes (meaning I could break mine out too). Now I live in a place that allows for open-toed shoes year round. I think that June Gloom is supposed to be my new measure, but I find it is basically summertime year round. Except when it is raining.

ltl/fb 06-01-2005 02:05 PM
Summertime poll
 
Quote:
Originally posted by notcasesensitive
My measure used to be when women started walking around in open-toed shoes (meaning I could break mine out too). Now I live in a place that allows for open-toed shoes year round. I think that June Gloom is supposed to be my new measure, but I find it is basically summertime year round. Except when it is raining.
June Gloom is causing me to have mood swings on a daily basis. I start out depressed every fucking day, then perk up when it burns off. I may have to start taking vacations in late May/June.

That said, it is summertime year round and I love love love it. Summertime without excessive heat and humidity.

Bad_Rich_Chic 06-01-2005 02:09 PM
Summertime poll
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Smells -- the first whiff of fragrant vines - honeysuckle, or the one on my neighbor's fence that I can't think of the name of right now. Honeysuckle is an esp. strong indicator for me because the house on the corner by my elementary school bus stop had a huge honeysuckle, and I will forever associate that smell with the feeling of freedom that starts in early June, with half days of school, field days, and the sight of papers flying out of school buses. (Similarly, the smell of crayons and Elmer's Glue transport me to fall at any time of year.)

Also, of course, the smell of burning Kingsford.

ETA Coppertone.
2. Except in NYC the smells are the smells of pee, oil, garbage ooze and general grime on the streets, released as the asphalt warms up. You can tell summer has come to NYC when the streets start to reek. And tar - I love the smell of tar when the road crews begin repairing the winter damage. And there are the smells eminating from the dank winter coats of my fellow subway riders who have not yet figured out it is warm and therefore dumped the outerwear they have been wearing continuously for 5 months.

From childhood, my "summer smell" memory is the smell of rain - I grew up in a place with pretty bad air pollution (no longer, but in the early '70s is was bad), and you could always smell the rain about 5 minutes before it hit because it carried all the air pollution down with it. Sometimes I smell the same thing in NYC, but not as often. Anyhow, to this day whenever I smell some spa-goo called "rain," I find it disorienting because it smells nothing like rain is supposed to.

However, I did get a whiff of Kingsford this weekend, when my upstairs neighbors lit up the hibachi on their fire escape (and spurted me with lighter fluid while I was sitting below on mine).

This all sounds rather dismal, but I actually love most of these smells (except for the rancid winter coat smell). But then I looove the smell of gasoline as well.

dtb 06-01-2005 02:27 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by pony_trekker
Maybe they should concentrate on not sucking ass next year?
Or, failing that, at least have a hefty supply of unopened toothbrushes.






Which reminds me, how do you know that the toothbrush was invented in Alabama? Because otherwise, it would be called a teethbrush.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress!

Shape Shifter 06-01-2005 02:29 PM
Summertime poll
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
2. Except in NYC the smells are the smells of pee, oil, garbage ooze and general grime on the streets, released as the asphalt warms up. You can tell summer has come to NYC when the streets start to reek. And tar - I love the smell of tar when the road crews begin repairing the winter damage. And there are the smells eminating from the dank winter coats of my fellow subway riders who have not yet figured out it is warm and therefore dumped the outerwear they have been wearing continuously for 5 months.

From childhood, my "summer smell" memory is the smell of rain - I grew up in a place with pretty bad air pollution (no longer, but in the early '70s is was bad), and you could always smell the rain about 5 minutes before it hit because it carried all the air pollution down with it. Sometimes I smell the same thing in NYC, but not as often. Anyhow, to this day whenever I smell some spa-goo called "rain," I find it disorienting because it smells nothing like rain is supposed to.

However, I did get a whiff of Kingsford this weekend, when my upstairs neighbors lit up the hibachi on their fire escape (and spurted me with lighter fluid while I was sitting below on mine).

This all sounds rather dismal, but I actually love most of these smells (except for the rancid winter coat smell). But then I looove the smell of gasoline as well.
You like the smell of pee? Perhaps RT's sister will set you up.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-01-2005 02:38 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by NotFromHere
OK trying for the trifecta.

49ers diversity training film offends entire city.
Damn - I had diversity training the other day and it wasn't nearly this much fun. I feel like I missed out.

On another note, here is an amusing (maybe just to me) conversation that I had recently with my non-bf. We were talking about people we have had sex with:

me: blah blah blah
him: I had sex with Jeff Garcia's girlfriend.
me: you're gay? Fuck.

I was actually kind of squicked by that but whatever. I'll get over it.

ltl/fb 06-01-2005 02:40 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Damn - I had diversity training the other day and it wasn't nearly this much fun. I feel like I missed out.

On another note, here is an amusing (maybe just to me) conversation that I had recently with my non-bf. We were talking about people we have had sex with:

me: blah blah blah
him: I had sex with Jeff Garcia's girlfriend.
me: you're gay? Fuck.

I was actually kind of squicked by that but whatever. I'll get over it.
Squicked why? Because it means you have, second- or third-hand, fucked about a million people? Assuming that JG is promiscuous.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-01-2005 02:43 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ltl/fb
Squicked why? Because it means you have, second- or third-hand, fucked about a million people? Assuming that JG is promiscuous.
I just find him squicky, and his "girlfriend" by association. Also I don't buy that he's not gay. That shouldn't squick me out, but it does when I think about having sex with people he's had sex with. I can't help it.

Bad_Rich_Chic 06-01-2005 02:44 PM
Summertime poll
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Shape Shifter
You like the smell of pee? Perhaps RT's sister will set you up.
Not really, though the collective smell of NYC street filth, which admittedly includes pee (as well as rotting produce, of which I am also not fond), does make me a bit sentimental.

That said, there was a tree near my last apartment with flowers that smelled just like cat piss. Damn, that was annoying.

ltl/fb 06-01-2005 02:47 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I just find him squicky, and his "girlfriend" by association. Also I don't buy that he's not gay. That shouldn't squick me out, but it does when I think about having sex with people he's had sex with. I can't help it.
Gotcha. I have no clue who JG is (I vaguely think and am assuming he is a baseball player, but don't have a mental picture of him or know anything about him) -- maybe this would be obvious if I were more familiar with him.

I think my fascination with MFM keeps me from being squicked by having sex with a guy who has had sex with another guy. I say that only b/c I'm surprised to be less squicked about something sexual than you are.

My least favorite thing about summer is fermenting restaurant dumpsters. Half the time I have to hold my breath to keep from gagging.

Hank Chinaski 06-01-2005 02:48 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ltl/fb
My least favorite thing about summer is fermenting restaurant dumpsters. Half the time I have to hold my breath to keep from gagging.
you deserve a better life. Are you up for a raise anytime soon?

pony_trekker 06-01-2005 02:50 PM
Combining thread award
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Not really, though the collective smell of NYC street filth, which admittedly includes pee (as well as rotting produce, of which I am also not fond), does make me a bit sentimental.

That said, there was a tree near my last apartment with flowers that smelled just like cat piss. Damn, that was annoying.
Take awalk through Chinatown on an Sunday afternoon in August if you want a treat for your nose.

ltl/fb 06-01-2005 02:52 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you deserve a better life. Are you up for a raise anytime soon?
Not for about 9 months (I think raises are effective in March sometime).

Thanks. Now I'm more depressed.

Though, I don't think the occasional breath-holding is all that bad as a least-favorite. It could be something like "My least favorite thing about summer is that people point and laugh because I have to expose my rippling mounds of fatty flesh or risk sweating to death."

Now I'm even more depressed. You suck.

notcasesensitive 06-01-2005 02:53 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I just find him squicky, and his "girlfriend" by association. Also I don't buy that he's not gay. That shouldn't squick me out, but it does when I think about having sex with people he's had sex with. I can't help it.
Isn't it interesting that the "he's gay" rumors in the NFL almost always involve the quarterbacks? I think they are probably all spread by the linemen who are sick of the prettyboys getting all the attention. Do we have any real reason to think he's gay other than the fact he has chosen a profession that allows him to spend a bunch of time touching some guy's ass? List of quarterbacks that I have heard are gay:

Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Jeff Garcia

Other NFL players that I've heard are gay:




<eom>

Jerry 06-01-2005 02:54 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ltl/fb
Gotcha. I have no clue who JG is (I vaguely think and am assuming he is a baseball player, but don't have a mental picture of him or know anything about him) -- maybe this would be obvious if I were more familiar with him.

I think my fascination with MFM keeps me from being squicked by having sex with a guy who has had sex with another guy. I say that only b/c I'm surprised to be less squicked about something sexual than you are.

My least favorite thing about summer is fermenting restaurant dumpsters. Half the time I have to hold my breath to keep from gagging.
It's a buck dancer's choice, my friend.

Replaced_Texan 06-01-2005 02:55 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by notcasesensitive
List of quarterbacks that I have heard are gay:

Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Jeff Garcia

Other NFL players that I've heard are gay:




<eom>
I've heard rumors about Eddie George. And I don't think anyone really understands kickers.

dtb 06-01-2005 02:57 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I just find him squicky, and his "girlfriend" by association. Also I don't buy that he's not gay. That shouldn't squick me out, but it does when I think about having sex with people he's had sex with. I can't help it.
Who is Jeff Garcia?

greatwhitenorthchick 06-01-2005 02:59 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Isn't it interesting that the "he's gay" rumors in the NFL almost always involve the quarterbacks? I think they are probably all spread by the linemen who are sick of the prettyboys getting all the attention. Do we have any real reason to think he's gay other than the fact he has chosen a profession that allows him to spend a bunch of time touching some guy's ass? List of quarterbacks that I have heard are gay:

Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Jeff Garcia

Other NFL players that I've heard are gay:




<eom>
Good point. Maybe I am being judgmental. But I never thought Steve Young or Troy Aikman were gay. And I couldn't care less if Jeff Garcia is or is not. I just wouldn't want to fuck him.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-01-2005 03:00 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
And I don't think anyone really understands kickers.
That's because they are Canadian.

Or at least the most misunderstood one is.

Not Bob 06-01-2005 03:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've heard rumors about Eddie George. And I don't think anyone really understands kickers.
Kickers aren't considered to be NFL players by other NFL players.

There were also rumors in the 80s about another running back I won't name.

As for Garcia, I think that he gets the stories because, well, as the Not Bobette put it when she heard him interviewed last year, "he sounds gay." Whatever that means.

Replaced_Texan 06-01-2005 03:05 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by dtb
Who is Jeff Garcia?
Former quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers. I think he's with the Browns now.

I think that two of those three quarterbacks being in SF sorta helped that rumor along.

NotFromHere 06-01-2005 03:05 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Damn - I had diversity training the other day and it wasn't nearly this much fun. I feel like I missed out.

On another note, here is an amusing (maybe just to me) conversation that I had recently with my non-bf. We were talking about people we have had sex with:

me: blah blah blah
him: I had sex with Jeff Garcia's girlfriend.
me: you're gay? Fuck.

I was actually kind of squicked by that but whatever. I'll get over it.
Ew. His "girlfriend" was that skank in Playboy. Ew. Get yourself checked out right away.

Not Bob 06-01-2005 03:06 PM
Headline News
 
Quote:
Originally posted by dtb
Who is Jeff Garcia?
Football player. Former quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, and played for the Cleveland Browns last year. Think he may be somewhere else this coming season, as he did not play well in the Paris of Ohio.

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notcasesensitive 06-01-2005 03:06 PM
Fugly QB
 
Quote:
Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Good point. Maybe I am being judgmental. But I never thought Steve Young or Troy Aikman were gay. And I couldn't care less if Jeff Garcia is or is not. I just wouldn't want to fuck him.
Gay or not, he is definitely Not Hot. Lorenzo Lamas has no burrito in his pants for Jeff Garcia, I'm sure. Poor guy. He is probably the ugliest quarterback in the history of the NFL. Even uglier than John "Big Head" Elway.

Who was it that did the stunt where he interviewed Jeff Garcia on a golf course and totally put him down? Also led Bettis to believe he seriously injured the guy after the guy baited him to tackle him... I can picture the skit, but forget where I saw it.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-01-2005 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by NotFromHere
Ew. His "girlfriend" was that skank in Playboy. Ew. Get yourself checked out right away.
it's ok. He has been tested and waited the six months and he had sex with her years ago, before the testing, so anything would have shown up. But thanks for your concern for my health.

Hank Chinaski 06-01-2005 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Not for about 9 months (I think raises are effective in March sometime).

Thanks. Now I'm more depressed.

Though, I don't think the occasional breath-holding is all that bad as a least-favorite. It could be something like "My least favorite thing about summer is that people point and laugh because I have to expose my rippling mounds of fatty flesh or risk sweating to death."

Now I'm even more depressed. You suck.
You live in Houston, right? the country's fattest city. You're not really fat anyway, but you are for sure not Houston fat- sorry to out your internet persona.

sebastian_dangerfield 06-01-2005 03:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Isn't it interesting that the "he's gay" rumors in the NFL almost always involve the quarterbacks? I think they are probably all spread by the linemen who are sick of the prettyboys getting all the attention. Do we have any real reason to think he's gay other than the fact he has chosen a profession that allows him to spend a bunch of time touching some guy's ass? List of quarterbacks that I have heard are gay:

Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Jeff Garcia

Other NFL players that I've heard are gay:




<eom>
You're forgetting Kordell Stewart, who allegedly got arrested sucking a gentleman off in a public park known for public sex outside Pittsburgh.

NotFromHere 06-01-2005 03:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
Football player. Former quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, and played for the Cleveland Browns last year. Think he may be somewhere else this coming season, as he did not play well in the Paris of Ohio.
Last I heard, he was still "interviewing" with other teams. A lot of teams. I don't think he's landed anywhere yet. And yes he is ugly. Like I reported last year, I rode the elevator with him and he is uglier in person if you can imagine. The freckles and the baldness are not attractive. He is also much smaller than you would imagine a guy who could survive being hit by 300 lb defensive tackles.


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