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ltl/fb 05-20-2004 08:35 PM

marginalizing Sadr
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Perhaps. But when that building came down a few blocks from me, the age of civilized warfare - in my eyes - had ended. I far from advocate the shedding of innocent blood, but by the same token, a have little to any remorse over it if we accomplish the mission at hand
Edited. Stupidly outable. Sorry.

Slave, I think if we dropped a whole bunch of nukes throughout the Middle East so that we killed absolutely everyone, the mission at hand would be accomplished. This would be good? Bad?

I really am afraid that irrational freaks like you are going to fuck things up so much for our country that at some point in the future we will have to bend over for the rest of the world to get them to do something we want or need. I'm thinking we're going to turn into Great Britain after the fucked up and lost the empire b/c they did stupid shit that produced, e.g., Ghandi.

ltl/fb 05-20-2004 08:45 PM

So, is this OK, Slave?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...157003,00.html

[Spree: Denver Post article on deaths of five Iraqisduring interrogation.]
The deaths include the killing in November of a high-level Iraqi general who was shoved into a sleeping bag and suffocated, according to the Pentagon report. The documents contradict an earlier Defense Department statement that said the general died "of natural causes" during an interrogation. Pentagon officials declined to comment on the new disclosure.

"Mowhoush, considered a "high-priority target," turned himself in for questioning in November, according to documents. After two weeks in custody at an Al Qaim detention facility, northwest of Baghdad, two soldiers with the 66th Military Intelligence Company, slid a sleeping bag over his body, except for his feet, and began questioning him as they rolled him repeatedly from his back to his stomach, the documents show.

"Then, one of the soldiers, an interrogator, sat on Mowhoush's chest and placed his hands over the prisoner's mouth, according to the report: 'During this interrogation, the (general) became non-responsive, medics were called and he was later pronounced dead.' According to the documents, 'The preliminary report lists the cause of death as asphyxia due to smothering and chest compressions.'


Well, its only natural that you die after being smothered. Apparently, the investigation continues. But really, what the hell? After all, he was just an Iraqi General.

S_A_M
The only tragedy here is if we didn't get whatever information we wanted before he was smothered to death. And that he died a relatively pain-free death. And that we probably didn't get to torture him in front of his kids (or, his kids in front of him -- whichever).

Right, shfm? slave? sgt?

SlaveNoMore 05-20-2004 08:45 PM

marginalizing Fringey
 
Quote:

ltl/fb
I really am afraid that irrational freaks like you are going to fuck things up so much for our country that at some point in the future...
Ty or Atticus calling me irrational would be insulting, yet understandable, given our constant disagreements and somewhat different worldview.

However, you calling me an irrational freak is akin to Ronald McDonald calling someone a clown.

ltl/fb 05-20-2004 08:48 PM

marginalizing Fringey
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Ty or Atticus calling me irrational would be insulting, yet understandable, given our constant disagreements and somewhat different worldview.

However, you calling me an irrational freak is akin to Ronald McDonald calling someone a clown.
You need to fix your first sentence/paragraph to include something about how you think they are smart or rational or something. Because I constantly disagree with you and have a somewhat different worldview too.

Or you could just say I'm fat, short and unattractive. Either/or.

Atticus Grinch 05-20-2004 08:49 PM

Clark on why we screwed up.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
[Gen. Wesley Clark =] an extreme Arkansas liberal
Was this unintentionally funny, or intentionally so? Those adjectives neutralize each other like acid and base.

SlaveNoMore 05-20-2004 08:52 PM

So, is this OK, Slave?
 
Quote:

Secret_Agent_Man
The deaths include the killing in November of a high-level Iraqi general who was shoved into a sleeping bag and suffocated, according to the Pentagon report. The documents contradict an earlier Defense Department statement that said the general died "of natural causes" during an interrogation. Pentagon officials declined to comment on the new disclosure
Did he refuse to give up the whereabouts of the rest of his hidden planes?

Buried planes

If not, fuck 'em.

ETA: Snopes will not let me link to their photos

ltl/fb 05-20-2004 08:54 PM

So, is this OK, Slave?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Did he refuse to give up the whereabouts of the rest of his hidden planes?

http://www.snopes.com/photos/small/mig01_small.jpg

If not, fuck 'em.
So if he did give up the whereabouts, it's OK to kill him?

In accord with my interpretation of your attitude.

That picture of you is outable. People will be able to ID you as you walk the streets of NYC.

Secret_Agent_Man 05-20-2004 08:58 PM

So, is this OK, Slave?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Did he refuse to give up the whereabouts of the rest of his hidden planes?

If not, fuck 'em.

ETA: Snopes will not let me link to their photos
I've seen the pictures, but that's really funny!

As long as they're buried, what do we care? Does anyone think the resistance is going to dig up up, fly them out of the holes and bomb us? Shee-it.

S_A_M

[OK. I guess we would like to find any missiles attached thereto.]

SlaveNoMore 05-20-2004 09:03 PM

marginalizing Fringey
 
Quote:

ltl/fb
You need to fix your first sentence/paragraph to include something about how you think they are smart or rational or something. Because I constantly disagree with you and have a somewhat different worldview too.
Yes, but whereas if they are the Dean and Edwards of the party, you are the Lyndon LaRouche.

Quote:

Or you could just say I'm fat, short and unattractive. Either/or.
I had no idea you were short.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-20-2004 09:07 PM

marginalizing Fringey
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Yes, but whereas if they are the Dean and Edwards of the party, you are the Lyndon LaRouche.
I hope I get to be Edwards. I can't really yell all that well.

Not Me 05-20-2004 09:08 PM

This is funny
 
http://www.zenarchery.com/archives/banner_freedom.jpg

Hehehehehe.

ltl/fb 05-20-2004 09:11 PM

marginalizing Fringey
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I had no idea you were short.
Yes. And stinky. ETA that based on the subject you added, I feel you are saying I am marginally attractive.

Please. LaRouche is far more coherent than I am. And I don't have his grasp of history.

SlaveNoMore 05-20-2004 09:16 PM

marginalizing Fringey
 
Quote:

ltl/fb
Yes. And stinky. ETA that based on the subject you added, I feel you are saying I am marginally attractive.

Please. LaRouche is far more coherent than I am.
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Atticus Grinch 05-20-2004 09:16 PM

This is funny
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
http://www.zenarchery.com/archives/banner_freedom.jpg

Hehehehehe.
Q.E.D.

Not Me 05-20-2004 09:21 PM

This is funny
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Q.E.D.
Umm, that is why it is funny. It is Ty's siggy and it keeps changing. Is he changing it or is it being changed automatically?

Say_hello_for_me 05-20-2004 09:24 PM

So, is this OK, Slave?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The only tragedy here is if we didn't get whatever information we wanted before he was smothered to death. And that he died a relatively pain-free death. And that we probably didn't get to torture him in front of his kids (or, his kids in front of him -- whichever).

Right, shfm? slave? sgt?
As far as I know, the Iraqi air force never harmed a hair on anyone's head.

ltl/fb 05-20-2004 09:36 PM

So, is this OK, Slave?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
As far as I know, the Iraqi air force never harmed a hair on anyone's head.
Why is that pertinent? If he has information about WMDs or anything else, we should do whatever it takes to get that information.

I'm kinda curious as to why Slave brought up the destruction of the WTC in connection with stuff in Iraq, but whatever.

sgtclub 05-20-2004 09:38 PM

marginalizing Fringey
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
However, you calling me an irrational freak is akin to Ronald McDonald calling someone a clown.
POTD

Slave Once Again 05-20-2004 09:41 PM

This is funny
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
Umm, that is why it is funny. It is Ty's siggy and it keeps changing. Is he changing it or is it being changed automatically?
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

sgtclub 05-20-2004 09:45 PM

marginalizing Sadr
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't understand why you guys won't take off the rose-colored glasses. They may be why things are so fucked up over there.
I have, and have posted as much on these boards. However, I get the gut feeling that things are turning. It will take time, but they are turning.

The opposite side of the coin is that you guys want a democracy cut from whole cloth in roughly the length of a sit com. Granted, the execution post victory has been terrible, but this shit takes time and there are going to be mistakes. But there has been a lot of good news that has been completely ignored (e.g., half of Iraq's ministeries are now under Iraqi rule). Rome, errr, post-WWII Germany/Japan were not built in a day.

I also predict that Bush will be vindicated on WMD. This does not change his post war execution, but at least it will shut a lot of holes.

edited to add "time"

sgtclub 05-20-2004 09:49 PM

It was only a matter of time
 
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

[suicide bombers in the US?]

Atticus Grinch 05-20-2004 10:03 PM

Cognitive dissonance.
 
Dr. Frist: A woman's decision to have an abortion is not a personal, family matter, but an affront to the safe and reputable practice of medicine and to the sanctity of human life.

Sen. Frist:* My son's arrest yesterday for driving while intoxicated is a personal, family matter.

*Or, as indicated on his webpage, Bill Frist, M.D.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-20-2004 10:05 PM

marginalizing Sadr
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I have, and have posted as much on these boards. However, I get the gut feeling that things are turning. It will take time, but they are turning.

The opposite side of the coin is that you guys want a democracy cut from whole cloth in roughly the length of a sit com. Granted, the execution post victory has been terrible, but this shit takes time and there are going to be mistakes. But there has been a lot of good news that has been completely ignored (e.g., half of Iraq's ministeries are now under Iraqi rule). Rome, errr, post-WWII Germany/Japan were not built in a day.

I also predict that Bush will be vindicated on WMD. This does not change his post war execution, but at least it will shut a lot of holes.

edited to add "time"
I was trying to bust Slave's chops, not to sweep you in.

I had no expectations about how easy this was going to be. But the mistakes we have made have made things much, much worse. There may be good news, but there was a lot of good stuff going on in Weimar Germany, too. The Titanic is resting on the floor of the North Atlantic, largely intact. The question is how it turns out. IMHO, we fucked up by trying to do too much on the cheap, by refusing to share control with the UN, and by insisting on this June 30 date. Not sure we can overcome any of this.

Even if they find some WMD now, Bush will be far from vindicated. But I don't want to get into that again.

Not Me 05-20-2004 10:17 PM

It was only a matter of time
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

[suicide bombers in the US?]
To add in another tip, the person is likely to be an Arab. While fair skinned converts to Islam do exist, they are far, far less likely to be suicide bombers.

SlaveNoMore 05-20-2004 10:21 PM

marginalizing Sadr
 
Quote:

Tyrone Slothrop
IMHO, we fucked up by trying to do too much on the cheap...
I agree with you completely on this.


Quote:

... by refusing to share control with the UN...
Didn't the UN pull out all of its people at the first firing of resistance shots? Kind of tough to share anything when one party won't put boots on the ground.

SlaveNoMore 05-20-2004 10:26 PM

So, is this OK, Slave?
 
Quote:

ltl/fb
I'm kinda curious as to why Slave brought up the destruction of the WTC in connection with stuff in Iraq, but whatever.
I brought it up to suggest that we will never be able to win a so-called "civilized" war anymore.

When one side does not wear uniforms, attacks civilian targets at will and then retreats into its own civilian population, its time to stop weeping at the first sign of bloodshed, swallow hard and accept casualities and violence - without regret - for the greater long term good*

* Good meaning the good of the US. Fuck France. Fuck the UN.

Gin Rummy 05-20-2004 10:27 PM

It was only a matter of time
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

The lightly classsified bulletin, headlined "Possible suicide bomber indicators," and circulated earlier today (May 20) via the FBO's secure Law Enforcement Online (LEO) Intranet, warns local badge-carriers to look for obvious signs of trouble - people wearing heavy, bulky jackets on warm days, smelling of chemicals

[suicide bombers in the US?]
People?! People?!?!? Unfreakingbelivable!! Would there be any chance that the terrorist people might be oh…I don’t know……just off the top of my head….brainstorming in the dark here….MIDDLE EASTERN ISLAMIC MEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16 AND 46??!?!?! Grow up you liberal pukes, these are the “PEOPLE” that will come to your town wearing bombs to rip your babies and women to shreds. Did you see Nick Berg get his head hacked off? Get ready, your kids are next. But the liberal Dems don’t care. They attack the CinC and prevent him from doing what should have been done on Sept 12, 2001. Mass deportation. Shove these subversives right off the pier.

If it wasn’t so tragic, I would have to laugh out loud, its summertime, hot, hazy and humid and the Federal Bureau of Incompetence is warning us to look out for bulky coats and smells. Let me tell, these radical Islamic terrorists coming packing a nice stench winter or summer. Mohammed wasn’t too big on hygiene, but when you wipe your ass with stones what do you expect.

Bottom line is at this point, there is one quick solution, internment camps for all alien Islamics. Period. The PC bullshit has to end or America the beautiful is over. Done. Kaputsky. Of course the worthless left will cry like babies with stinky diapers. Like the Spanish pussies, the effete American leftists want to crawl on their knees begging respect and blissful coexistence with the followers of a drunken child rapist. Ironically, you saps love everything the Islamofascists decry, sexual deviancy, feminazism, drugs, disrespect for God, the coddling of criminals and most other immoral behaviour.
.
For me, I'm just glad that while I wait out the waning days of our republic, that I live in a right to carry state. My Glock 23 and 14 shot 1911 Para-ord are at the ready.


http://www.glock.com/g17L.jpg

BRING IT ON LITTLE MEN!


http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020628/world2.jpg

Not Me 05-20-2004 10:59 PM

It was only a matter of time
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gin Rummy
People?! People?!?!? Unfreakingbelivable!! Would there be any chance that the terrorist people might be oh…I don’t know……just off the top of my head….brainstorming in the dark here….MIDDLE EASTERN ISLAMIC MEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16 AND 46??!?!?! Grow up you liberal pukes, these are the “PEOPLE” that will come to your town wearing bombs to rip your babies and women to shreds.
It was Gorelick's wall combined with political correct bullshit that prevented the FBI from stopping 9/11. The FBI agents knew that middle eastern men were in flight school and that was suspicious yet they were prevented from investingating them because of political correct bullshit.

It is muslims that need to be watched because that is the group that is committing the terrorism.

Gin Rummy 05-20-2004 11:11 PM

It was only a matter of time
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
It was Gorelick's wall combined with political correct bullshit that prevented the FBI from stopping 9/11. The FBI agents knew that middle eastern men were in flight school and that was suspicious yet they were prevented from investingating them because of political correct bullshit.

It is muslims that need to be watched because that is the group that is committing the terrorism.
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin about. Why the American left promotes the proliferation of Islam in this country has me mystified.

Anybody who can decipher a third grade text can pretty well pick out that the Koran clearly specifies that Jews and Christians are the enemies of Islamics and that, if Mohammed, the child schtupping schizo, is to be believed, must be slaughtered for Islam to survive.

Hey Dems, is this a deathwish or do you just loathe the sorryassed humanity you see when you look in the mirror so much that you have devolved to committed fifth columnists??

Not Me 05-20-2004 11:30 PM

It was only a matter of time
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gin Rummy
Mohammed, the child schtupping schizo,
He wasn't just a pedophile, he was a polygamist, too. JFC, how many fucking wives did the creep have?

And this is the guy they pick as their prophet? Is it any wonder the teachings of islam are so fucking hateful toward women with this pedophile/polygamist as their prophet. Vomit. What a misogynistic, vile religion.

Hey, Jesus may have been fucking a whore (who he didn't marry by the way), but at least he was monogamous!

Hank Chinaski 05-20-2004 11:50 PM

marginalizing Sadr
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You know, as hard as it is to believe, there are still quite a few people out there that believe Tawana told the truth.
I thought she was chubby.

Hank Chinaski 05-20-2004 11:55 PM

Clark on why we screwed up.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Look hardass -- that number (15 years) roughly coincides with the dissolution of the U.S.S.R. and its Eastern European empire.
Coincidence? You decide.

RR had ridden off into the sunset by then. (The GOP has been shouting "Shane! Come back, Shane! Shane!" ever since.)

S_A_M
Clinton broke the USSR? you all got Holywood, so its your script, but even Oliver Stone sort of keeps grounded by what happened for broad outlines like this.

Not Me 05-21-2004 12:47 AM

LOL!! This NYT reporter is a big time Palestinian apologist
 
Serves him right for befriending terrorists.
  • A New York Times correspondent narrowly escaped a kidnap attempt by Palestinians while covering Israel's extensive raid into the Rafah refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip, the newspaper said on Thursday.

    James Bennet, bureau chief for Israel and the territories, said he was speaking on a cellphone in front of a Rafah hospital on Wednesday when a Palestinian he did not know came up, smiled and offered his hand, saying, "Welcome."

    When Bennet shook his hand, the man and another Palestinian grabbed him and tried to thrust him into an old Mercedes car that pulled up with its back door open, recalling kidnappings of foreigners by Muslim militants in wartime Beirut in the 1980s.

    An abduction was averted only by police at the hospital, who ran to Bennet's assistance in response to his struggle and cries. The men then jumped in the car and sped away, the correspondent said in his dispatch in Thursday's Times.

Shape Shifter 05-21-2004 12:52 AM

marginalizing Sadr
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Tawana
Samuel.

SlaveNoMore 05-21-2004 01:09 AM

Ain't this grand...
 
Now THIS , if true, is the biggest embarrassment of the War. And inexcusable:

____

Senior U.S. officials told 60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl that they have evidence Chalabi has been passing highly-classified U.S. intelligence to Iran.

The evidence shows that Chalabi personally gave Iranian intelligence officers information so sensitive that if revealed it could, quote, "get Americans killed." The evidence is said to be "rock solid."

Sources have told Stahl a high-level investigation is underway into who in the U.S. government gave Chalabi such sensitive information in the first place.

In addition, sources told Stahl that one of Chalabi's closest confidantes — a senior member of his organization, the Iraqi national congress — is believed to have been recruited by Iran's intelligence agency, the Ministry of Information and Security (MOIS) — and is on their payroll...

Tyrone Slothrop 05-21-2004 02:43 AM

marginalizing Sadr
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Didn't the UN pull out all of its people at the first firing of resistance shots? Kind of tough to share anything when one party won't put boots on the ground.
Why would they stick if they get to hold the bag but not make the calls?

Tyrone Slothrop 05-21-2004 02:44 AM

It was only a matter of time
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Me
It was Gorelick's wall combined with political correct bullshit that prevented the FBI from stopping 9/11. The FBI agents knew that middle eastern men were in flight school and that was suspicious yet they were prevented from investingating them because of political correct bullshit.
No matter how many times you repeat this, it is still horseshit.

Secret_Agent_Man 05-21-2004 09:36 AM

Clark on why we screwed up.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Clinton broke the USSR? you all got Holywood, so its your script, but even Oliver Stone sort of keeps grounded by what happened for broad outlines like this.
Hank:

2004 - 15 (years) = 1989.

G. H. W. Bush was POTUS in 1989.

I would have expected better of someone with your advanced education in SCIENCE, but don't allow this to harm your self-esteem.

S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man 05-21-2004 09:38 AM

Ain't this grand...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Now THIS , if true, is the biggest embarrassment of the War. And inexcusable:

____

Senior U.S. officials told 60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl that they have evidence Chalabi has been passing highly-classified U.S. intelligence to Iran.

The evidence shows that Chalabi personally gave Iranian intelligence officers information so sensitive that if revealed it could, quote, "get Americans killed." The evidence is said to be "rock solid."

Sources have told Stahl a high-level investigation is underway into who in the U.S. government gave Chalabi such sensitive information in the first place.

In addition, sources told Stahl that one of Chalabi's closest confidantes — a senior member of his organization, the Iraqi national congress — is believed to have been recruited by Iran's intelligence agency, the Ministry of Information and Security (MOIS) — and is on their payroll...
Well, that would explain the raid.

S_A_M

Hank Chinaski 05-21-2004 09:57 AM

Clark on why we screwed up.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Hank:

2004 - 15 (years) = 1989.

G. H. W. Bush was POTUS in 1989.

I would have expected better of someone with your advanced education in SCIENCE, but don't allow this to harm your self-esteem.

S_A_M
I'll survive.
He'd been President for 4 months in May '89. Even the average Neaderthal Poly Sci freshman knew that you cannot give credit (or blame I suppose) to a President for what happens during the first, say, 8 or 9 months of their watch. all that credit goes to the prior administration.



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