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Penske_Account 10-24-2005 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
The women's efforts seem misguided. If they are going to invite all of the other women molested by Clinton over the years to meet them at the library, the library's new attendance figures WILL shatter records.
They are not thinking clearly. Post-traumatic stress disorder. It is sad to see the affects of rape and sexual abuse on two vibrant and intelligent women. They should gather their felloe survivors and become a travelling caravan shadowing Madame Hillary's Senate campaign trail.

Justice delayed is justice denied......thoughts?

Gattigap 10-24-2005 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
They are not thinking clearly. Post-traumatic stress disorder. It is sad to see the affects of rape and sexual abuse on two vibrant and intelligent women. They should gather their felloe survivors and become a travelling caravan shadowing Madame Hillary's Senate campaign trail.

Justice delayed is justice denied......thoughts?
I think you should go with that idea.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
I think you should go with that idea.
Translation: Rape and sexual abuse are excusable if Bill Clinton is the perpetrator as it was just sex, which is a private, which is protected by an emanating penumbra.

Spanky 10-24-2005 04:12 PM

The ultimate double standard.
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Translation: I support rape and sexual harrassment and abuse in the office place (except by American soldiers doing it to Islamist terrorists at Abu Ghraib or Guantamo as an interrogation tactic-in that case I side with the enemy) and in fact think it's a big joke.

A woman got raped and beaten and was coerced after the fact into not reporting it.....another woman got sexually fondled at work by the aforesaid rapist.........ha ha ha ha ha LOL ha ha ha ha ha ROTFLMAO!!! They probably deserved it. Whores.
The various women's organizations across this country lost all credibility when they did not attack Bill Clinton. They immediately assumed Anita Hill was telling the truth even though she followed Clarence Thomas to a new job after such "harassment" took place. In addition, most harrassers show a tenancy to commit such acts and usually leave a trail of victims in their wake - look at John Tower, Bob Packwood and Bill Clinton. But with Clarence Thomas no other women came forward. Yet all the womens groups and liberal organization immediately assumed she was telling the truth.

The constant refrain against Clarence Thomas (to justify why such conduct was relevent in the hearings) was that since he was an harraser he could not be trusted on womens issues when such issues came before the court. Yet Clinton, a clear sexual harasser, was trusted with the top policy making position in the country.

When Anita Hills crediblity was questioned US Senators were harangued for attacking the victim, yet when James Carville said that when you spread money around a trailer park no tellling what you druge up - such an attack on the victim was narely critisized.

The most damaging event to the womens movement last century was a self inflicted wound. The immediate assumption of guilt on Clarence Thomas and the silence on Bill Clinton was one of the most hypocritical and shameful events in US history.

Gattigap 10-24-2005 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Translation: Rape and sexual abuse are excusable if Bill Clinton is the perpetrator as it was just sex, which is a private, which is protected by an emanating penumbra.
No, I actually think you should go with that idea, Penske. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Sexual Harassment Panda 10-24-2005 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
The women's efforts seem misguided. If they are going to invite all of the other women molested by Clinton over the years to meet them at the library, the library's new attendance figures WILL shatter records.
Will W's Presidential Library include a coke bar?

pubic hair on a coke can 10-24-2005 04:14 PM

The ultimate double standard.
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
The various women's organizations across this country lost all credibility when they did not attack Bill Clinton. They immediately assumed Anita Hill was telling the truth even though she followed Clarence Thomas to a new job after such "harassment" took place. In addition, most harrassers show a tenancy to commit such acts and usually leave a trail of victims in their wake - look at John Tower, Bob Packwood and Bill Clinton. But with Clarence Thomas no other women came forward. Yet all the womens groups and liberal organization immediately assumed she was telling the truth.

The constant refrain against Clarence Thomas (to justify why such conduct was relevent in the hearings) was that since he was an harraser he could not be trusted on womens issues when such issues came before the court. Yet Clinton, a clear sexual harasser, was trusted with the top policy making position in the country.

When Anita Hills crediblity was questioned US Senators were harangued for attacking the victim, yet when James Carville said that when you spread money around a trailer park no tellling what you druge up - such an attack on the victim was narely critisized.

The most damaging event to the womens movement last century was a self inflicted wound. The immediate assumption of guilt on Clarence Thomas and the silence on Bill Clinton was one of the most hypocritical and shameful events in US history.
Fo' shizzle my bizzle!!!

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
No, I actually think you should go with that idea, Penske. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
It's amasing the gutters the left will troll to defend a rapist. If your wife or mother or daughter were raped or sexually harassed and abused in workplace and then intimidated at risk of life from accessing justice would you find it so amusing?

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 04:19 PM

The ultimate double standard.
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
The various women's organizations across this country lost all credibility when they did not attack Bill Clinton. They immediately assumed Anita Hill was telling the truth even though she followed Clarence Thomas to a new job after such "harassment" took place. In addition, most harrassers show a tenancy to commit such acts and usually leave a trail of victims in their wake - look at John Tower, Bob Packwood and Bill Clinton. But with Clarence Thomas no other women came forward. Yet all the womens groups and liberal organization immediately assumed she was telling the truth.

The constant refrain against Clarence Thomas (to justify why such conduct was relevent in the hearings) was that since he was an harraser he could not be trusted on womens issues when such issues came before the court. Yet Clinton, a clear sexual harasser, was trusted with the top policy making position in the country.

When Anita Hills crediblity was questioned US Senators were harangued for attacking the victim, yet when James Carville said that when you spread money around a trailer park no tellling what you druge up - such an attack on the victim was narely critisized.

The most damaging event to the womens movement last century was a self inflicted wound. The immediate assumption of guilt on Clarence Thomas and the silence on Bill Clinton was one of the most hypocritical and shameful events in US history.
NOW and NARAL are the most vile of political organisatiosn in America. But for the First Amendment I would argue that they should be outlawed. Not to mention that many of their members lack a capability for even the most basic ADLs. what is with the left and lack of hygiene?

Hank Chinaski 10-24-2005 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Translation: Rape and sexual abuse are excusable if Bill Clinton is the perpetrator as it was just sex, which is a private, which is protected by an emanating penumbra.
Poll to gatti and the others-

Do you disbelieve Paula Jones' claim that Bill dropped trou on her?

bilmore 10-24-2005 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Will W's Presidential Library include a coke bar?
We can only hope. Attendance would be huge.

Gattigap 10-24-2005 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Poll to gatti and the others-

Do you disbelieve Paula Jones' claim that Bill dropped trou on her?
Dunno, Hank. Probably he did. Sounds like something he'd have done.

Haven't taken the opportunity to reflect on it much in the last 5 years, since he's been out of power and all.

Save, of course, when I come here, and sure as the sun rises each day, I can tap my foot to the story's relentless drumbeat.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Dunno, Hank. Probably he did. Sounds like something he'd have done.

Haven't taken the opportunity to reflect on it much in the last 5 years, since he's been out of power and all.

Save, of course, when I come here, and sure as the sun rises each day, I can tap my foot to the story's relentless drumbeat.
I wonder if your wife, or mother or daughter were a victim of rape and/or sexual abuse by a powerful man who cut off their ability to access their rights and justic by intimidation if you or they would be so nonchalant. You should become a rape counselour, I can see your approach be wildly successful, "COME ON, IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS, STOP THINKING ABOUT, SO YOU GOT YOU RAPED, SO WHAT, IT'S JUST SEX!!!!! WHINING BABY!!!!"

bilmore 10-24-2005 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Haven't taken the opportunity to reflect on it much in the last 5 years, since he's been out of power and all.
I think Penske would have been satisfied had anyone reflected on it a bit when he was in power. But that was back when NOW made the principled decision that an alleged rapist fighting for women's rights was an acceptable compromise. Frankly, they were strategically correct, but tactically wacked.

Hank Chinaski 10-24-2005 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I wonder if your wife, or mother or daughter were a victim of rape and/or sexual abuse by a powerful man who cut off their ability to access their rights and justic by intimidation if you or they would be so nonchalant. You should become a rape counselour, I can see your approach be wildly successful, "COME ON, IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS, STOP THINKING ABOUT, SO YOU GOT YOU RAPED, SO WHAT, IT'S JUST SEX!!!!! WHINING BABY!!!!"
Paula Jones wasn't raped. And it was while Clinton was govenor so it was even that much longer ago.

Of course, it wasn't as long ago as W's National guard service. Only a year ago Gatti and them thought that was a goldmine of posts.

what's worse- Missing some flight duty or raping and attempting rape? Gatti is on record.

Not Bob 10-24-2005 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I started a blog. I imagine soon I will be selling t-shirts and coffee mugs on it.
Did you really start a blog?

(I am destined to be a straight man, no?)

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I think Penske would have been satisfied had anyone reflected on it a bit when he was in power. But that was back when NOW made the principled decision that an alleged rapist fighting for women's rights was an acceptable compromise. Frankly, they were strategically correct, but tactically wacked.
I think that by that act they surrendered any claim (however tenuous it was even at that time) to being a legitimate and credible voice in the public arena. Sadly, the likes of Biden, Kennedy (ironically, another serial abuser and killer of women), Pelosi and Hillary get support from and pimp the agenda of NOW et al., which is why, we, of a righteousness of vision and moral clarity have to continue to point out their wackness. Big tyme.

Gattigap 10-24-2005 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
Did you really start a blog?

(I am destined to be a straight man, no?)
It's better than the alternatives, believe you me.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Paula Jones wasn't raped. And it was while Clinton was govenor so it was even that much longer ago.

Of course, it wasn't as long ago as W's National guard service. Only a year ago Gatti and them thought that was a goldmine of posts.

what's worse- Missing some flight duty or raping and attempting rape? Gatti is on record.
Broaddrick was rape. Jones was certainly sexual assault. Possibly attempted rape. Differences with minour distinctions. All are about sex in the world of the looney left.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
Did you really start a blog?

(I am destined to be a straight man, no?)
1. Yes. verily.

2. Your fate is yours to choose. It's the beauty of America.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-24-2005 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Poll to gatti and the others-

Do you disbelieve Paula Jones' claim that Bill dropped trou on her?
Nope. Never did.

Doesn't change the fact that the lawsuit was legally meritless, and was championed and funded for political purposes.

As for Broaderick, I've read an interview and tend to believe her. (Wiley too.) Didn't really affect my view of Clinton by that point.

S_A_M

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-24-2005 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Jones was certainly sexual assault. Possibly attempted rape.
Is that what the girls you flirted with in college called it?

Secret_Agent_Man 10-24-2005 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I think Penske would have been satisfied . . . .
Now that's just nuts.

S_A_M

Gattigap 10-24-2005 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Broaddrick was rape. Jones was certainly sexual assault. Possibly attempted rape. Differences with minour distinctions. All are about sex in the world of the looney left.
Actually, your indignation comes across as more powerful when you do make distinctions about it. Gives the ALL CAPS that special je ne sais quoi.

Gattigap 10-24-2005 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I think Penske would have been satisfied had anyone reflected on it a bit when he was in power.
I really doubt that, though I take your point.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Nope. Never did.

Doesn't change the fact that the lawsuit was legally meritless, and was championed and funded for political purposes.

As for Broaderick, I've read an interview and tend to believe her. (Wiley too.) Didn't really affect my view of Clinton by that point.

S_A_M
How is that possible? Rape is okay with the passage of time? You are okay with the President of the US being of a character where as a 30 plus yo he could rape and violently beat a woman and baldfacedly lie about it?

I ask you as I asked Gatti (who has yet to answer), if it was your mother or wife or daughter would you be so nonchalant?

Gattigap 10-24-2005 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski

what's worse- Missing some flight duty or raping and attempting rape? Gatti is on record.
Did people advocate jailing Bush for his missing flight duty?

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Is that what the girls you flirted with in college called it?
PoPDPotD!!! Congrats Burger.

And ftr, I was chaste in college. I focused on my grades and various internships and booze.

Not Bob 10-24-2005 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
1. Yes. verily.

2. Your fate is yours to choose. It's the beauty of America.
Congratulations. What's the name/URL of your blog?

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Actually, your indignation comes across as more powerful when you do make distinctions about it. Gives the ALL CAPS that special je ne sais quoi.
Translation: I still defend rapists and perjurers as long as they of the same political stripe as I and as long as the offences are just about sex. The rule of law only applies to the other guys.

Replaced_Texan 10-24-2005 05:21 PM

Apparently purjery is just a technicality, as is an investigation that wastes taxpayers dollars.
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And secondly, I certainly hope that if there is going to be an indictment that says something happened, that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality where they couldn't indict on the crime and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. So they go to something that trips someone up because they said something in the first grand jury and then maybe they found new information or they forgot something and they tried to correct that in a second grand jury.
It's nice to see Republicans admit that they were wrong.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
I really doubt that, though I take your point.
I would be satisfied if the institutional left could admit that we are a nation of laws and that the rule of law should be respected regardless of the political demographic of the person violating it.

Gattigap 10-24-2005 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account


I ask you as I asked Gatti (who has yet to answer), if it was your mother or wife or daughter would you be so nonchalant?
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize this was a serious question. I thought you were just being an asshole.

No, I wouldn't be so nonchalant about it, Penske. Do we get to play this game every time we debate politics or public policy, where we personalize horrible impacts to members of your immediate family? I find it tends to stultify the debate, but if you wish to pursue it, we can talk about foreign policy next.

Replaced_Texan 10-24-2005 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I would be satisfied if the institutional left could admit that we are a nation of laws and that the rule of law should be respected regardless of the political demographic of the person violating it.
Tell it to the Senior Senator from Texas.

Not Bob 10-24-2005 05:27 PM

Speaking of Clinton . . .
 
From Yahoo, in the "as ye sow, so shall ye reap" department:
  • Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (news, bio, voting record) of Texas derided any potential perjury charge as a "technicality," and suggested Fitzgerald may be trying to show that "two years' of investigation was not a waste of time and dollars."

I happen to agree with her, btw.

eta: Beaten by RT. Mmmmmmm.

feta: Uh, sorry, balt.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
Congratulations. What's the name/URL of your blog?
I take visa/mc for the coffee mugs if you are interested.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize this was a serious question. I thought you were just being an asshole.

No, I wouldn't be so nonchalant about it, Penske. Do we get to play this game every time we debate politics or public policy, where we personalize horrible impacts to members of your immediate family? I find it tends to stultify the debate, but if you wish to pursue it, we can talk about foreign policy next.
I don't know that it is useful in every instance, but in this case I do think the hypocrisy is telling. You wave away the violent anti-social, criminal acts of a man who you would otherwise condemn, and by doing so, in the context, you validate the campaign of that man and his cronies to mock and delegimitize the attempts of the victims to his crimes from accessing justice. And yet if they were your family members it would be different. That's a sad commentary on what you must think justice means. America's moral compass has really been wacked by the dimwits to effect such thoughts from someone otherwise so thoughtful and intelligent.

Penske_Account 10-24-2005 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Tell it to the Senior Senator from Texas.
Please. Delay;s lies times 10 don;t equal the criminality of violent rape. Or are you equating them?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-24-2005 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Apparently purjery is just a technicality, as is an investigation that wastes taxpayers dollars.

It's nice to see Republicans admit that they were wrong.
She should be embarassed. What a rEdiculous response. She should fire the staffer who prepped her.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-24-2005 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Please. Delay;s lies times 10 don;t equal the criminality of violent rape. Or are you equating them?
I think the equation she's looking at is:

Rove's and Libby's perjury [>, =, or <] Clinton's perjury.


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