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robustpuppy 06-02-2005 01:34 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
*I thought that was a bit of an exaggeration. There are probably six-breasted she-creatures on the planet krakow that are better lays than I am. But you never know.
On a related note, I have long wanted to meet a man-octopus. It could be excellent to fuck a guy with eight hands.

Shape Shifter 06-02-2005 01:36 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
You are so sweet.

Actually, and I don't just say this to toot my own horn or to point out that men are full of shit, I say it because it's just become topical, last night he told me that I was "the best lay in the entire fucking universe." So cute.*


*I thought that was a bit of an exaggeration. There are probably six-breasted she-creatures on the planet krakow that are better lays than I am. But you never know.
I'll be happy to compare. When are you next available?

LessinSF 06-02-2005 01:37 PM

spelling bee
 
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Originally posted by Anne Elk
Less, if you set this for next year, I'm in.
I wish I'd known. I watched the first two hours live at home this morning (they are on lunch break) and am taping the afternoon session. They are almost done with Round 6 and are down to 29 kids.

Spoilers from this morning below in white

My three choices have all survived Round 6, but I missed the tiny Indian kid who placed third two years ago at age 9 before dropping to 27th last year - I would have picked him had I realized he was back and still in it. There is this blond kid, Matthew Giese, though, who is looking strong, but his words have been relatively easy (to me, at least). Both Bay Area kids have made it to Round 7, but the future axe murder is gone.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 06-02-2005 01:39 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
On a related note, I have long wanted to meet a man-octopus. It could be excellent to fuck a guy with eight hands.
Monique Junot: He keeps putting his testicles all over me.
Lane Myer: Excuse me?
Monique Junot: You know, like octopus? Testicles?
Lane Myer: Ohhhh. Tentacles. N-T.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-02-2005 01:40 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
On a related note, I have long wanted to meet a man-octopus. It could be excellent to fuck a guy with eight hands.
How many penises does a man-octopus have?

Shape Shifter 06-02-2005 01:42 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
How many penises does a man-octupus have?
Enough to screw in a light bulb.

robustpuppy 06-02-2005 01:44 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
How many penises does a man-octupus have?
Ideally, one. Who would want to fuck a total freak?




(Seriously, though, if more than one, they'd have to be strategically placed for the extra(s) to be of maximum utility to one woman.)

Did you just call me Coltrane? 06-02-2005 01:44 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
How many penises does a man-octopus have?
On a related note:

Depp digs Edward Penishands


E! Online asked Johnny Depp how he felt about his doppelganger in Edward Penishands, the porn parody of Edward Scissorhands. Depp is surprisingly cool about it!

"I think it was either Tim [Burton] or John Waters who sent it to me. It might have been both. Tim and I were both quite proud they decided to do that. It was low budget and cheesy, but it was hilarious to watch. Those hands...they served him well."

str8outavannuys 06-02-2005 01:45 PM

This post is not about homos or kikes
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
My ex-aunt is in Degrassi- Next Generation.
How do you have an ex-aunt? And is it Caitlin or Spike? Or perhaps Joey's now-ex-girlfriend? I can't think of any other adult females on the show with recurring roles -- I guess there's Ashley & Toby's mom . . .

Did you just call me Coltrane? 06-02-2005 01:49 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
How many penises does a man-octopus have?
All of them!

ThurgreedMarshall 06-02-2005 02:33 PM

Revolver
 
Snatch is one of my favorite movies of all time. So, I'm all over Revolver. Too bad Ritchie gave Ray Liotta a part in this flick. That guy sucks ass like Mr. Lipschitz.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...240041,00.html

The trailer available on this page is sfw.

TM

ltl/fb 06-02-2005 02:33 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
You are so sweet.

Actually, and I don't just say this to toot my own horn or to point out that men are full of shit, I say it because it's just become topical, last night he told me that I was "the best lay in the entire fucking universe." So cute.*


*I thought that was a bit of an exaggeration. There are probably six-breasted she-creatures on the planet krakow that are better lays than I am. But you never know.
Sex is the best invention ever.

Well, maybe second best, after dense rich hot chocolate cake.

mmm3587 06-02-2005 02:49 PM

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Yeah. Umm. In some parts of the country, the homo jokes are quite prevalent. Even among the enlightened associate types.
Does it happen as much as it used to? That was my point: they're aren't _that_ many of those jokes anymore, compared to how it used to be. (I could have put some emphasis on "that" to make it more clear.) That's not true for jokes about disabilities. You can still catch even the most enlightened telling a joke about a guy with no arms or legs in a lake ("Bob") or asking someone who suddenly gets excited whether or not he has tourette's syndrome. A while back, a person on an e-mail chain with 20 or so people cc'd on it said "Sorry, guys, I'm such a retard" after making a stupid mistake. As far as I know, only a few lawyers on my side even thought it crossed the line; one of the business guys even responded with that "sofa king we todd did" schtick.

My point is, society hasn't really decided that these kinds of jokes are offensive yet. With jokes about race, gender and sexuality, we have, it's just that some people still make them or don't care if others think they're racist.

Hank Chinaski 06-02-2005 02:53 PM

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Does it happen as much as it used to? That was my point: they're aren't _that_ many of those jokes anymore, compared to how it used to be. (I could have put some emphasis on "that" to make it more clear.) That's not true for jokes about disabilities. You can still catch even the most enlightened telling a joke about a guy with no arms or legs in a lake ("Bob") or asking someone who suddenly gets excited whether or not he has tourette's syndrome. A while back, a person on an e-mail chain with 20 or so people cc'd on it said "Sorry, guys, I'm such a retard" after making a stupid mistake. As far as I know, only a few lawyers on my side even thought it crossed the line; one of the business guys even responded with that "sofa king we todd did" schtick.

My point is, society hasn't really decided that these kinds of jokes are offensive yet. With jokes about race, gender and sexuality, we have, it's just that some people still make them or don't care if others think they're racist.
Are fat jokes okay?

Sidd Finch 06-02-2005 02:58 PM

Eureka!
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
On a related note, I have long wanted to meet a man-octopus. It could be excellent to fuck a guy with eight hands.

Wouldn't the sucker-things hurt?

ABBAKiss 06-02-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Are fat jokes okay?
Of course they are. Fats are rude.

mmm3587 06-02-2005 03:05 PM

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Are fat jokes okay?
That's kind of an interesting question: what's ok, and in what context? I tend to shy away from all that stuff in both my professional life and my personal life, but that's probably just because I don't find "generalization" humor that funny. When I do find it funny, it's usually because it's a clever joke doing more than deriding the group, or because it plays on a socially acceptable stereotype, like blondes are dumb or lawyers are dishonest. I've always liked "Why did the blonde have a bruise on her bellybutton? -- Because her boyfriend is blonde, too!" because of the funny imagine of someone trying to fuck a bellybutton, not just because I love hearing about stupid blondes. If you told the same joke about, say, some minority group, it would be much more offensive.

Some guy with a French name wrote a great book about the sociology of jokes, especially ethnic ones. Dtb has probably read it; she seems like she's probably an intellectual when she's not busy rearranging her son's wang.

notcasesensitive 06-02-2005 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by mmm3587
Does it happen as much as it used to? That was my point: they're aren't _that_ many of those jokes anymore, compared to how it used to be. (I could have put some emphasis on "that" to make it more clear.) That's not true for jokes about disabilities. You can still catch even the most enlightened telling a joke about a guy with no arms or legs in a lake ("Bob") or asking someone who suddenly gets excited whether or not he has tourette's syndrome. A while back, a person on an e-mail chain with 20 or so people cc'd on it said "Sorry, guys, I'm such a retard" after making a stupid mistake. As far as I know, only a few lawyers on my side even thought it crossed the line; one of the business guys even responded with that "sofa king we todd did" schtick.

My point is, society hasn't really decided that these kinds of jokes are offensive yet. With jokes about race, gender and sexuality, we have, it's just that some people still make them or don't care if others think they're racist.
You totally miss my (and fringey's) point. Yes, just as prevalent as ever in some parts of the country. Exactly. Homophobic comments are commonplace and people don't think a thing about it. Not where you live. Bravo. Try spending some time in Texas or the Deep South. And stop arguing about this with us until you have.

mmm3587 06-02-2005 03:09 PM

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...kid doesn't say overtly racist things, it's more like things where any one of them might seem not much, but once you hear a half dozen you start thinking something is up with him.

Like kids make fun of other kids. When he talks about other kids that are black the way he makes fun of them is a little different than if he was dogging a white kid, but it is something you don't really catch at first...
Sounds like your kid's hanging around with Pynchon or something.

ThurgreedMarshall 06-02-2005 03:12 PM

I wanna get me one of these
 
http://www.segway.com/video/centaur_wmv.html

TM

Sidd Finch 06-02-2005 03:12 PM

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Try spending some time in Texas or the Deep South. And stop arguing about this with us until you have.


For some reason I'm reminded of my mother, giving one of her "you haven't suffered enough" lectures.

ltl/fb 06-02-2005 03:15 PM

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For some reason I'm reminded of my mother, giving one of her "you haven't suffered enough" lectures.
Is this confirmation that IRL you are as annoying and stupid as mmmmmm is on the internet?

mmm3587 06-02-2005 03:17 PM

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You totally miss my (and fringey's) point. Yes, just as prevalent as ever in some parts of the country. Exactly. Homophobic comments are commonplace and people don't think a thing about it. Not where you live. Bravo. Try spending some time in Texas or the Deep South. And stop arguing about this with us until you have.
I spent a good portion of my childhood in the rural deep South, and I worked in the urban South before law school. Those who used to speak all the time about "gay homos" and and "stringing them up" and "negros" and "keeping an eye on them" don't do that nearly as much anymore. Hell, some of them are, spend a lot of time with, or are married to, "gay homos" and "negros" these days. Sports and entertainment have changes peoples' views, too.

Things change. People change. Attitudes change. It's not gone, but it's not like it used to be. Do you have any idea what the people still making those comments today were like in the 80s? I do, because they were my neighbors, relatives and friends. I disagree strongly with your ill-informed feelings about social attitudes in the South; let's leave it at that.

Boy, this post reminds me what a culture shock it was to move to the north in the 80s. Like stepping across time...

Bad_Rich_Chic 06-02-2005 03:18 PM

Bullshit!
 
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Well, lay it on us, then.
Mother Theresa's hospices in the US are basically about the same as her hospices in India. They flagrantly violate just about every health code known to civilized men. And, her order hires no actual medical staff (even though here they actually profess to offer medical care) - all patient care is given by nuns of the order, who (i) have generally no medical training at all, (ii) are woefully under educated otherwise and (iii) sometimes refuse to give personal care to men, because that would be indecent. Now, in the US, her hospices are almost all AIDS hospices. Huge majority of the patients are men, so (iii) really presents some problems, or should. I believe P&T did mention that no outside visitors are permitted and all inmates are proselytized relentlessly.

What they didn't mention is that this is happening not just in buttfuck India but in the US, and the civil authorities not only permit it but cover it up. They didn't need footage from third-world India, they could have filmed it at any number of facilities right here at home. Generally, western cities where she founded her little citadels of pain and suffering were so scared shitless of the Church and her obvious impending beatification that they gave the abominable practices a pass, or only required cosmetic fixes.

And, because (for various reasons which would be even more outable that this story is anyway) they thought she was responsible for gay men with AIDS not swarming to the Sisters of Mercy's US torture chambers in droves, the bitch's order formally accused my mother of being in league with Satan, and professed that they had actually seen her in the company of pipe-smoking demons. Really, I shit you not. (Fortunately, due to my mother's already being a damn heathen Protestant and therefore out of their jurisdiction, the local archdiocese insisted there was nothing they could really do about it.) Dumbshit, backwards, priest-ridden illiterate, superstitious, pig-mean fucktards. Not that I take it personally or anything.

(By the by, I think we can all agree that I am mostly correct when I say that this makes my mother unassailably cool.)
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So, the fact that P&T lay around with naked girls, the same as Ghandi seemed to do, means that he isn't really holier than them (or anyone else). Hell, that's partly what convinced Malcolm X that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad was full of it.
I categorically reject the notion that lolling about with naked people relegates one to a lower plane of spiritual enlightenment.

Replaced_Texan 06-02-2005 03:19 PM

Revolver
 
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Snatch is one of my favorite movies of all time. So, I'm all over Revolver. Too bad Ritchie gave Ray Liotta a part in this flick. That guy sucks ass like Mr. Lipschitz.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...240041,00.html

The trailer available on this page is sfw.

TM
2. on Snatch. Are you planning on seeing Layer Cake? It's on my list for the next few weeks.

ABBAKiss 06-02-2005 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by mmm3587
or because it plays on a socially acceptable stereotype, like blondes are dumb...because I love hearing about stupid blondes. If you told the same joke about, say, some minority group, it would be much more offensive.
Ahem. Blondes, especially natural blondes, ARE in the minority. Are you retarded?

ABBA("dirty" blonde)Kiss

Sidd Finch 06-02-2005 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Is this confirmation that IRL you are as annoying and stupid as mmmmmm is on the internet?

Is this confirmation that if mmmm spends more time in the Deep South he'll be as big a twat as you?



eta: no insult intended to mmmmm. His last post on the subject was thoughtful and considered, unlike the general bitch-fest that seems to have been unleashed on him by those who seem to think they know everything about his life, including where he has lived, from seeing him on a chatboard.

There are still plenty of nasty, vicious, racist and homophobic comments made, and that's true in the Deep South and in San Francisco and in every place that is geographically or culturally in between. (Yes, in San Francisco. Homophobes tend to get nastier when thay are closer to gay people.) But to suggest that it is exactly at the same level as it used to be is, in my view, unrealistic.

notcasesensitive 06-02-2005 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by mmm3587
I disagree strongly with your ill-informed feelings about social attitudes in the South; let's leave it at that.
Ill-informed? I just lived through 7 years in Texas. Those were some informative years. Sort of like crossing that line you crossed, only in reverse. I'm sure it was worse in the past, but when repeatedly in social settings I was subjected to gay jokes, or even worse non-jokes, just stereotypical hateful comments, I don't think that the problem is as rectified as you seem to think it is. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what "polite society's" views on homosexuality are down there. And the Baptist church certainly is not progressing them. I did my best to steer clear of polite society.

ThurgreedMarshall 06-02-2005 03:29 PM

Bullshit!
 
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Mother Theresa's hospices in the US are basically about the same as her hospices in India. They flagrantly violate just about every health code known to civilized men. And, her order hires no actual medical staff (even though here they actually profess to offer medical care) - all patient care is given by nuns of the order, who (i) have generally no medical training at all, (ii) are woefully under educated otherwise and (iii) sometimes refuse to give personal care to men, because that would be indecent. Now, in the US, her hospices are almost all AIDS hospices. Huge majority of the patients are men, so (iii) really presents some problems, or should. I believe P&T did mention that no outside visitors are permitted and all inmates are proselytized relentlessly.

What they didn't mention is that this is happening not just in buttfuck India but in the US, and the civil authorities not only permit it but cover it up. They didn't need footage from third-world India, they could have filmed it at any number of facilities right here at home. Generally, western cities where she founded her little citadels of pain and suffering were so scared shitless of the Church and her obvious impending beatification that they gave the abominable practices a pass, or only required cosmetic fixes.
Sounds like: Same shit, different location to me. I don't fault P&T for not calling attention to every location.

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I categorically reject the notion that lolling about with naked people relegates one to a lower plane of spiritual enlightenment.
Maybe. But we weren't talking about you. The people who grant holier-than-thou status to the icons P&T were using in this episode are the ones the argument was aimed at. And using someone's own standards against them (or pointing out how they pick and choose which standards to apply to suit their needs) was very effective.

TM

Sidd Finch 06-02-2005 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Ill-informed? I just lived through 7 years in Texas. Those were some informative years. Sort of like crossing that line you crossed, only in reverse. I'm sure it was worse in the past, but when repeatedly in social settings I was subjected to gay jokes, or even worse non-jokes, just stereotypical hateful comments, I don't think that the problem is as rectified as you seem to think it is. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what "polite society's" views on homosexuality are down there. And the Baptist church certainly is not progressing them. I did my best to steer clear of polite society.

Do you think that you could have steered clear of people who made gay jokes and hateful comments about gay people in Texas in 1985? I doubt it -- you couldn't even do that in New England in 1985.

I'm asking this as a serious question and not trying to engage in battle with you. It sounds as if you believe nothing has changed -- not just that the Baptists haven't progressed, but that the openly expressed hatred is just as prevalent now as it was 20 years ago.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-02-2005 03:35 PM

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Sounds like your kid's hanging around with Pynchon or something.
In Hank's dreams.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 06-02-2005 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Do you think that you could have steered clear of people who made gay jokes and hateful comments about gay people in Texas
Holy dog shit! Texas! Only steers and queers come from Texas!

robustpuppy 06-02-2005 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Do you think that you could have steered clear of people who made gay jokes and hateful comments about gay people in Texas in 1985? I doubt it -- you couldn't even do that in New England in 1985.

I'm asking this as a serious question and not trying to engage in battle with you. It sounds as if you believe nothing has changed -- not just that the Baptists haven't progressed, but that the openly expressed hatred is just as prevalent now as it was 20 years ago.
ncs never said there hadn't been progress, she simply said it was still prevalent, in her experience. this is pretty much the same point you made in an earlier post. if you are going to attack her, don't do it based on a misunderstanding of her premise as it was misinterpreted by mmmm so that he could go off on his own soapbox, as he so likes to do, even when he's not arguing the same point others are arguing.

notcasesensitive 06-02-2005 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Do you think that you could have steered clear of people who made gay jokes and hateful comments about gay people in Texas in 1985? I doubt it -- you couldn't even do that in New England in 1985.

I'm asking this as a serious question and not trying to engage in battle with you. It sounds as if you believe nothing has changed -- not just that the Baptists haven't progressed, but that the openly expressed hatred is just as prevalent now as it was 20 years ago.
I couldn't steer clear of it in 2004, so I doubt I could have in 1985. I'm not joking. BigLaw. Firm functions.

What I am trying to convey is that there is a level of societal acceptance of homophobia that people don't even consider that some among their audience might be offended. Within my peer group, I had no problem sitting at lunch nad explaining to people why those comments aren't acceptable to me (still didn't stop the comments entirely, mind you, because even my friends who knew my POV were so used with the idea that it was okay that later comments would slip out in my presence). Outside of my peer group? Forget it.

People on the coasts and in Chicago can say to themselves "ah, we're on the right track with getting rid of homophobia" and pat themselves on the back, but until you've been in certain parts of the country, you are fooling yourselves. Why do you think the anti-gay marriage thing is such a big deal? It isn't because of people on the coasts arguing whether civil unions or marriage is the right way to go. Hell, Texas just took away the right of gay people to be foster parents. Even to children that have already been placed with them.

Head. Sand. Welcome to the US of fucking A.

Not Bob 06-02-2005 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by mmm3587
Does it happen as much as it used to? That was my point: they're aren't _that_ many of those jokes anymore, compared to how it used to be. (I could have put some emphasis on "that" to make it more clear.) That's not true for jokes about disabilities.

My point is, society hasn't really decided that these kinds of jokes are offensive yet. With jokes about race, gender and sexuality, we have, it's just that some people still make them or don't care if others think they're racist.
I agree with you here, but that isn't what I picked up from your prior post. (That may be due to my reading comprehension, or lack thereof, though.)

But it is a question of degree. You are certainly right that there is less overt racist/sexist/homophobe humor than there was 20 years ago, but that doesn't mean that there still isn't a *lot* of it floating around in certain places.

For example, around here (Podunkville proper, that is -- see below for East Podunkville), it's pretty rare to hear a racist joke. Sexist remarks (and sexist conduct especially -- jeeze, look at the rack on that court reporter!) and homophobic slurs, however, ain't that unusual. In some circles, and in certain parts of town, the racist jokes are told, too.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 06-02-2005 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Mother Theresa's hospices in the US are basically about the same as her hospices in India. They flagrantly violate just about every health code known to civilized men. And, her order hires no actual medical staff (even though here they actually profess to offer medical care) - all patient care is given by nuns of the order, who (i) have generally no medical training at all, (ii) are woefully under educated otherwise and (iii) sometimes refuse to give personal care to men, because that would be indecent. Now, in the US, her hospices are almost all AIDS hospices. Huge majority of the patients are men, so (iii) really presents some problems, or should. I believe P&T did mention that no outside visitors are permitted and all inmates are proselytized relentlessly.

What they didn't mention is that this is happening not just in buttfuck India but in the US, and the civil authorities not only permit it but cover it up. They didn't need footage from third-world India, they could have filmed it at any number of facilities right here at home. Generally, western cities where she founded her little citadels of pain and suffering were so scared shitless of the Church and her obvious impending beatification that they gave the abominable practices a pass, or only required cosmetic fixes.

And, because (for various reasons which would be even more outable that this story is anyway) they thought she was responsible for gay men with AIDS not swarming to the Sisters of Mercy's US torture chambers in droves, the bitch's order formally accused my mother of being in league with Satan, and professed that they had actually seen her in the company of pipe-smoking demons. Really, I shit you not. (Fortunately, due to my mother's already being a damn heathen Protestant and therefore out of their jurisdiction, the local archdiocese insisted there was nothing they could really do about it.) Dumbshit, backwards, priest-ridden illiterate, superstitious, pig-mean fucktards. Not that I take it personally or anything.

(By the by, I think we can all agree that I am mostly correct when I say that this makes my mother unassailably cool.)
I categorically reject the notion that lolling about with naked people relegates one to a lower plane of spiritual enlightenment.
Dude, could your mom hook me up with some of those pipe smoking demons? That would totally rock. We could hang, and loll with naked people, and stuff.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 06-02-2005 03:46 PM

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jeeze, look at the rack on that court reporter!
I think I've said this exact sentence.

ThurgreedMarshall 06-02-2005 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Is this confirmation that if mmmm spends more time in the Deep South he'll be as big a twat as you?



eta: no insult intended to mmmmm. His last post on the subject was thoughtful and considered, unlike the general bitch-fest that seems to have been unleashed on him by those who seem to think they know everything about his life, including where he has lived, from seeing him on a chatboard.

There are still plenty of nasty, vicious, racist and homophobic comments made, and that's true in the Deep South and in San Francisco and in every place that is geographically or culturally in between. (Yes, in San Francisco. Homophobes tend to get nastier when thay are closer to gay people.) But to suggest that it is exactly at the same level as it used to be is, in my view, unrealistic.
Stop it. You choose to frame the argument in the way he wants it framed. It's easy to sound righteous that way.

I forget what he was talking about now, but he said something like, "things aren't that racist." His point was, overall, racism isn't as bad as it used to be? No one is arguing that. I think ncs said that in a few places in the country that she is familiar with, it is just as prevalent as it was in his 80s example.

The point is, everything is relative. When mmmmmmmm2353209845 says "things aren't that racist," we're not thinking, "Well, historically speaking, he's absolutely right. Racism was far more prevalent just 20 years ago." That's a given and frankly, he's wasting his breath talking about how things have changed. It really just seems to be a vehicle for him to show everyone how enlightened he is. Whatever.

What a normal person would take from "things aren't that racist" is, "according to one's everyday experiences, there really isn't much racism." I think people may disagree with that based on their own experiences. nCs or fringe saying that they do in fact still experience racism or homophobia or whatever, based on where they live (which isn't where he lives) is no big deal.

TM

mmm3587 06-02-2005 03:47 PM

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I disagree strongly with your ill-informed feelings about social attitudes in the South; let's leave it at that.

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Ill-informed? I just lived through 7 years in Texas.


I'm not sure if I'm more amused that you think that Texas is "the South" or that you think that living in Texas from 1998-2005 (in Dallas, right?) makes you an expert on social attitudes there.

My point, poorly-made, I am happy to concede, is that the glidepath of social acceptability of gay/racial/gender jokes is on a more rapid descent than the glidepath of social acceptability of disability jokes. I can't believe that you would disagree with this or that, from living in a big city in Texas for the last seven years or so, you have a greater ability to judge this than I do. But I don't want to fight about it anymore. It's almost Friday, and I've just closed a big thing and want to talk about drinking and fucking, not argue about who's got more southern cred.

dtb 06-02-2005 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Ill-informed? I just lived through 7 years in Texas. Those were some informative years. Sort of like crossing that line you crossed, only in reverse. I'm sure it was worse in the past, but when repeatedly in social settings I was subjected to gay jokes, or even worse non-jokes, just stereotypical hateful comments, I don't think that the problem is as rectified as you seem to think it is. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what "polite society's" views on homosexuality are down there. And the Baptist church certainly is not progressing them. I did my best to steer clear of polite society.
As I was reading this, I was reminded of an episode in my childhood. I grew up in the midwest and our next-door neighbors were from Texas and Arkansas (dad from AK, mom from TX -- they had relocated to midwest nirvana -- next door to us). Anyway, when we were kids, we would play this game called "Smear the Queer" (we were really PC back in those days), which involved a bunch of us running around trying to tackle the kid with the ball (the one with the ball was "the queer"). The person with the ball would run around trying to escape everyone, and could toss the ball to someone else whenever if he didn't want to be "smeared". (At least, I think those were the rules -- it's a bit hazy.)

Of course, none of us knew what "queer" even meant, other than it was in the name of this really high-tech game we played.

Well one day, one of the kids from the TX/AR family told us that his dad suggested, nay, insisted! we call the game something else, because it really wasn't very nice to call the game "Smear the Queer". I think that may have been my first introduction to what "queer" meant.

I think their relative enlightenment must have been because they were Methodists, not Baptists.


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