NOLA
 

Dude, if you do that, you'll have really put your money where your mouth is. And I'll be happy to pay for the kid's plane ticket out. I'm serious.

I'd do more, but I hate kids.

NOLA
 

You're on.

NOLA
 

What'd the [hypothetical] little girl ever do to you? I mean, condemning her to living with Penske? That's just sadistic.

NOLA
 

The politics of personal destruction. Well done Balt. But you can't get to me today. I have the 16-a-fecta, and Hank doesn't.

Sorry Hank.

NOLA
 

She was a member of the poor, uneducated underclass.

Please keep up.

NOLA
 

I didn't say that. Why diminish a good thing?

NOLA
 

Someday, hopefully soon, people will return to NO. If there are packs of wild dogs, that would lower the quality of life. If they aren't removed, or shot, there will be packs. So someone adopting them isn't pointless to the problem. I don't think she was advocating ONLY adopting a cat. I think making charitable donations is a private thing though, and she may well feel the same.

But here's the thing, you have a problem with what others are doing- what are you doing? Not with the current catastrophe, but to help get people on their feet. You remember, the problem you brought up last night. Eliminate poverty.

NOLA
 

Don't worry, it can't last long. Once that poor child goes to class and says "Hillary is satan - my foster daddy says so," she'll get get out of the state.

NOLA
 

No. You're trying to count Adult- and it's not certified because its not open to all. But, good try! You do have a solid work ethic.

NOLA
 

:mad:

NOLA
 

Isn't this your schtick? Saying that I can't talk about how bad it is, because the problem is still there even if I talk about it, so I must not be using all my resources to fix it because I'm busy talking. You don't have any idea what I'm doing outside of the time I've spent fucking around on message boards.

I'm not criticizing what other people are doing, or if they're not talking about what they are doing, unless they are talking about helping fucking animals. I love animals. I have several. But the idea of "helping" in a natural disaster by donating money, time or resources to help displaced animals seems absurd to me.

I shouldn't criticize the charity of others. I appreciate whatever people do, and helping displaced animals is better than doing nothing at all. It just strikes me as hopelessly misguided and contrary to my personal morality. Given the person in question's previous comments, I think it's very illustrative.

NOLA
 

I really don't understand what problem you could have with people giving to animal charities and helping to find homes for the animals that were victims of this catastrophe as well. The people who are being evacuated to Houston and other points are not being permitted to bring their pets. Are people not supposed to care about the starving and dehydrated animals also? Or just not as much?


ETA: Now that is see your above post, I guess I know your position. I find it sad, but so be it. I don't think people were saying do this instead of worrying about the people, but if you don't care about helping all these people's former pets, so be it.

NOLA
 

I wouldn't want to run contrary to your personal morality, especially since I don't seem to have any of my own.

And please tell me, what does it illustrate?

NOLA
 

It isn't schtick. I personally find it terrible that people do so little to help kids have a chance at a better life. Doing something more than writing a check. Maybe you do something in that regard. If you do you are about 1 in 1000. I bet not, because if you were that 1 in 1000 you would realize that criticizing others doesn't help. That is, if you aren't putting time into kids in need you really shouldn't criticize other (including society in general), and I just think those that are quick to criticize aren't helping, because if they were helping they would realize how few people help and how futile criticism is. Sore topic, and I'm off my soapbox- oh, and I think you went down the road before anyone posted about saving dogs.

NOLA
 

If I had a schtick right now, I'd beat you with it.

NOLA
 

Actually I posted about saving dogs on Tuesday and Wednesday also. I am that big of a heathen.

NOLA
 

It's a resource allocation issue. Of course, people are within their rights to use their resources wherever they want to. Enough Americans do nothing for charity (our charity giving rates are among the lowest in the first world) anyway, so I am happy with whatever they do. I'm just shocked that people, seeing massive suffering of humans and animals, choose to use their resources to make the lives of the animals better. It is incomprehensible to me. That is me. If the alternative is that people do nothing, I guess these people addressing the needs of suffering animals relieves that burden on other charities and governmental agencies.

NOLA
 

It is open to all, some just choose not to opt for it. Same playing field, same rulez. You lose.

NOLA
 

Can one give to save dogs but let cats die? Could you post a link?

NOLA
 

If she said that you are correct. The school is private, of course, I don't believe in public education (pb topic), and is so liberal it makes Ty look like a republican. I am deep deep undercover with my politics.

NOLA
 

If tiger Woods wanted to play at your country club, you'd vote no wouldn't you?

NOLA
 

It is? Why don't I see it?

NOLA
 

What about the bats?

NOLA
 

girls don't get to play under Penske's rules.

NOLA
 

Depends on my draw for the pro-am, Ty@50, did I get Tiger?

1000 Points Of Hank
 

I used to think you criticized me because you had my best interests at heart and genuinely wanted me to be the best I could be. Now I see that you were just saying all of those hurtful things out of pure spite. I hope you're proud of yourself.

NOLA
 

Ask RT.

NOLA
 

Is this how insurgencies get started?

NOLA
 

I almost got persuaded by all the wailing boo hoos on these boards that I should donate some token amount - maybe $50 - to the hurricane relief fund or whatever it is. Then I realized how useless that would be. You live below sea level in a hurricane-prone city, you take your chances. And now you want me to bail you out? Forget about it. And that goes double for the starving little kitties or whatever. So I took the fifty bucks and went to the liquor store after spin class and bought a bottle of Aberlour A'bunadh. I'm going to crack that baby open in about a half hour when a few colleagues swing by my office. If I am feeling charitable, I may offer a toast to all the fine music that has come out of the Big Easy.

Note to San Franciscans - it is only a matter of time for you all too.

We did fine w/o Ironweed for 2 or 3 years
 

don't soccer teams play every other night or something? Even my kid's did. Did Celtic shut down, or did you give up following them?

NOLA
 

What was that that you said last night? Oh, here it is:

"Do you really think anyone gives a crap about the "poor, uneducated underclass"? Do you really think I do?"

I think that it illustrates how true that is. You've tried to backpedal and tapdance a couple of times when you realized how you sounded (What was it: "My comments about the poor uneducated underclass (or whatever it was that mmmm called them) really had nothing to do with the folks on the Gulf Coast and were more sweeping generalizations about the poor uneducated underclass all over America."), but it's pretty clear from your priorities that you are more concerned about animals, who you may perceive as helpless, than you are about some humans, who you may perceive as being responsible for their own positions and undeserving of empathy, compassion or assistance in a situation like this.*

* See, for example: "Here's the thing that pisses me off about that mentality. There's a way out of being the "poor, uneducated underclass" in this country. Anyone can join the armed forces and bootstrap their way to a better life. And yes, I say this as the soon-to-be ex-wife of a US Army officer....I think that a lot of the "poor, uneducated underclass" thinks they are entitled to a hell of a lot. And that sense of entitlement bewilders me."

NOLA
 

You'd have to be. There are only 2 of you in the city.

Wait, your private school is not Catholic? They allow that?

NOLA
 

If Frisco goes, will Minneapolis be the new gay mecca?

NOLA
 

Right, but that's more because God hates fags.

NOLA
 

I just got the Regionals down to southern. 16-afecta. you lose. again. 17-afecta with adult.

We have met the uneducated underclass, and it is
 

Penske has obviously taken RT's absence as license to engage in a crime wave of frenzied antisocial posting behaviour, more evidence of his total lack of anything resembling morality or self-control. I demand an immediate mobilization and his confinement to an overflowing bathroom stall in Mr. Bings.

We have met the uneducated underclass, and it is
 

Is that where happy hour is tonite?

NOLA
 

This is an excellent point. Money is valuable, but there are major programs in every city and state where you can get involved in volunteering your time with programs to work with the poor, elderly, undereducated, infirm, etc. Unless one is giving shitloads of money, that kind of time spent with people is far more valuable to them than a check that you might write.

A fair point. If I were not doing the kinds of things that you talk about, it would be incredibly hypocritical for me to criticize anyone. That aside, look back at what I wrote. I criticized someone for saying, essentially "One small way that you can help is by helping animals." That offends me personally, and I spoke up. I've already talked about why that offends me. Before that, I only said, essentially "Look, we need to address issues like this in our society. We have a significant underclass which is this close to suffering and mob action and third-world conditions, because they are poor, live in poor conditions already and don't have the ability to evacuate when they obviously should." If we have a situation where the sick elderly are left to die when there is a natural disaster, I think that is a societal and a governmental problem.

I did criticize bnb for suggesting aid be directed towards animals. I stand by that; it's a judgment call, and it's abrasive to criticize someone's charitable efforts or suggestions (even if I don't agree with them, she is advocating legitimate charity), but I just felt like I needed to say something.

NOLA
 

last year some guy broke the world record for the mile. 2 years before that some other nameless guy did it. People remember Bannister because he proved it was possible to break 4 minutes. Once that was proven, moving beyond is easier.

NOLA
 

Google tells me Minneapolis/St. Paul is already 10th for gay male couples and 5th for women, by population.