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bilmore 10-25-2005 03:09 PM
Proposition 2
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
. . . which I feel some small responsibility for.
Funny, she used that word, too.

nononono 10-25-2005 03:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its our own fault. We're so fucking childish that we can't even discuss sex. A decent candidate with a divorce or an affair is dead in the water because thousands of hyprocrites will call him immoral and band together against him.

In that vacuum of talent, we see things like W, Clinton and Bush I elected. None of them are worthy of the title they held. And what did they run against? John Fucking Kerry? Al Gore?

DAN QUAYLE???

Until we grow the fuck up in this counttry and act like adults about sex and personal mores, we're going to get more and more shit in the Oval Office. Decent, intelligent people tend to experiment a bit in life, and they make mistakes, and they have moral shortcomings. Until we address those shortcoming as a normal, excusable human foibles, we'll only get the idiots the religious right will tolerate.

I don't want to sound like some Berkeley douchebag, but WTF is wrong with this nation? We just excused gunmakers from lawsuits. We tolerate insane violence in our media. We have scumbags stealing our tax money for polictical gain (I hope Ted Stevens loses his sight for that goddamned bridge to nowhere). Yet we're debating whether abortion should be legal, and whther there's moral deficit on the Left?

There's a huge deficit in this country we ought to deal with before our economic or moral deficits, and thats the deficit of fucking brains in the political arena. Until we have some honest discourse, instead of sumbags who play to their idiot constituents, we'll never get anywhere. I hate to say it, but a temporary monarchy run by practical, sensible thinkers would be a very nice thing right now.

Off with the heads of all the idiots (about half the country).
Maybe you have said this before, but who do you think, among the politicians in this country, is a worthy candidate?

By the way, OMSOB was wondering about you on infirm the other day.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its our own fault. We're so fucking childish that we can't even discuss sex. A decent candidate with a divorce or an affair is dead in the water because thousands of hyprocrites will call him immoral and band together against him.

In that vacuum of talent, we see things like W, Clinton and Bush I elected. None of them are worthy of the title they held. And what did they run against? John Fucking Kerry? Al Gore?

DAN QUAYLE???

Until we grow the fuck up in this counttry and act like adults about sex and personal mores, we're going to get more and more shit in the Oval Office. Decent, intelligent people tend to experiment a bit in life, and they make mistakes, and they have moral shortcomings. Until we address those shortcoming as a normal, excusable human foibles, we'll only get the idiots the religious right will tolerate.

I don't want to sound like some Berkeley douchebag, but WTF is wrong with this nation? We just excused gunmakers from lawsuits. We tolerate insane violence in our media. We have scumbags stealing our tax money for polictical gain (I hope Ted Stevens loses his sight for that goddamned bridge to nowhere). Yet we're debating whether abortion should be legal, and whther there's moral deficit on the Left?

There's a huge deficit in this country we ought to deal with before our economic or moral deficits, and thats the deficit of fucking brains in the political arena. Until we have some honest discourse, instead of sumbags who play to their idiot constituents, we'll never get anywhere. I hate to say it, but a temporary monarchy run by practical, sensible thinkers would be a very nice thing right now.

Off with the heads of all the idiots (about half the country).
Sebby, I am surprised a feminist like you is so ignorant of what you are discussing. Rape and sexual abuse/harassment are not crimes of sex. They are crimes of violence and/or abuse of power via an non-consensual sexual act. Way to cheapen the discourse and degrade the plight of millions of women.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:12 PM
Proposition 2
 
Quote:
Originally posted by bilmore
Funny, she used that word, too.
I'm using this year's bonus for implants, npi.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-25-2005 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
In that vacuum of talent, we see things like W, Clinton and Bush I elected. None of them are worthy of the title they held. And what did they run against? John Fucking Kerry? Al Gore?

DAN QUAYLE???
You really are off base to say that about George HW Bush.

He had a political tin ear, and made a couple big mistakes (i.e. Quayle and the "read my lips" pledge) -- but he was surely a talented and competent man, and a reasonably good President.

S_A_M

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Maybe you have said this before, but who do you think, among the politicians in this country, is a worthy candidate?

By the way, OMSOB was wondering about you on infirm the other day.
I thought OMSOB was Sebby's sock.

nononono 10-25-2005 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
Sebby, I am surprised a feminist like you is so ignorant of what you are discussing. Rape and sexual abuse/harassment are not crimes of sex. They are crimes of violence and/or abuse of power via an non-consensual sexual act. Way to cheapen the discourse and degrade the plight of millions of women.
Not the CW anymore, I don't believe.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You really are off base to say that about George HW Bush.

He had a political tin ear, and made a couple big mistakes (i.e. Quayle and the "read my lips" pledge) -- but he was surely a talented and competent man, and a reasonably good President.

S_A_M
I would quibble with the use of the word "good". Maybe "reasonably satisfactory"?, but otherwise, despite my personal dislike, I agree.

Perhaps we will soon sing kumbayah together S_A_M.....

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2005 03:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Maybe you have said this before, but who do you think, among the politicians in this country, is a worthy candidate?

By the way, OMSOB was wondering about you on infirm the other day.
I'd elect Rudy. I'd elect McCain. Hagel is also good.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2005 03:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
I would quibble with the use of the word "good". Maybe "reasonably satisfactory"?, but otherwise, despite my personal dislike, I agree.

Perhaps we will soon sing kumbayah together S_A_M.....
Bush I was a smart guy who did next to nothing. Compared to the visionary he followed, he wasn't shit.*

* I'm not saying I agreed with everything Reagan did, but he was a visionary, and he did achieve some important things in office and change the country.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-25-2005 03:19 PM
Achtung!
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
The thought that any Republican or any politician of an opposite stripe has a history of sexual criminality is absurd and as usual (from the liberals) dilutes the concept that Clinton really did anything wrong.
Didn't say that . . although wasn't Bob Packwood an (R)? What did you mean by "any"?

My point was this -- It is an unfortunate (but true) fact that a lamentably high percentage of men in this country could be credibly accused of sexual assault and/or rape if you look closely enough and far enough back in their history (especially the young and/or drunken college days).

I will take you at your word that this is not an issue for you, as you were chased during college.

S_A_M

That doesn't diminish the harm of it, or make it right.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2005 03:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Maybe you have said this before, but who do you think, among the politicians in this country, is a worthy candidate?

By the way, OMSOB was wondering about you on infirm the other day.
Tell OMSOB to get his ass over here. I don't fuck around in Clear Channel Land.

nononono 10-25-2005 03:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Tell OMSOB to get his ass over here. I don't fuck around in Clear Channel Land.
He's mainly gone - pokes back in every month or so. He's left the law, gone to Asia, teaching, happier-sounding than you would believe.

I'll pass on the message, though.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Not the CW anymore, I don't believe.

Who said, Camille Paglia?

What's the CW, reproductive strategy? (this wouldn't apply to Clinton, he was sterile, from a bout of childhood mumps.)

Shape Shifter 10-25-2005 03:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Maybe you have said this before, but who do you think, among the politicians in this country, is a worthy candidate?

By the way, OMSOB was wondering about you on infirm the other day.
Slave rape . . . ah, who am I kidding? I consented all the way, sts, npi, iykwimaityd.

nononono 10-25-2005 03:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
Who said, Camille Paglia?

What's the CW, reproductive strategy? (this wouldn't apply to Clinton, he was sterile, from a bout of childhood mumps.)
I don't know who said, but to say rape has nothing to do with sex was a bad notion to begin with and I believe is no longer how it is considered, generally. I confess to not being on the vanguard, but some years ago I recall being glad we could get over the "it's not ever sexual, ever at all" perspective.

No, CW is sex, and violence.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bush I was a smart guy who did next to nothing. Compared to the visionary he followed, he wasn't shit.*

* I'm not saying I agreed with everything Reagan did, but he was a visionary, and he did achieve some important things in office and change the country.
I agree with that. Like Clinton, Bush I's legacy is as much wasted potential as it is any specific act of governance or leadership.

Not Bob 10-25-2005 03:30 PM
Take these pink ribbons from my hair.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Is that sort of like Hank calling me a boy, when, in fact, I'm a girl?
No. It would be like Hank calling you a boy, when in fact, you're a boi.

nononono 10-25-2005 03:31 PM
Take these pink ribbons from my hair.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
No. It would be like Hank calling you a boy, when in fact, you're a boi.
Oh, thanks, start that rumor, too.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:32 PM
Achtung!
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Didn't say that . . although wasn't Bob Packwood an (R)? What did you mean by "any"?
I was sloppy, I didn't mean "any" to imply there were none, I meant any as in "pick any random R (or D) and you can dig up a sexual abuse claim".

There are certainly some small percentage on both sides of the aisle.

Quote:
Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
My point was this -- It is an unfortunate (but true) fact that a lamentably high percentage of men in this country could be credibly accused of sexual assault and/or rape if you look closely enough and far enough back in their history (especially the young and/or drunken college days).
Possibly, although few (excepting politicians and other cousins from the Kennedy family) would have the serial aspect to the behaviour. Not to excuse any bad act, but one drunken night of "he said, she said" is different in magnitude from the history of allegations against Clinton.

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I will take you at your word that this is not an issue for you, as you were chased during college.
Chaste. Celibate. I was a semenary student. My one vice was the communional wine.

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That doesn't diminish the harm of it, or make it right.
2.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 03:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
I don't know who said, but to say rape has nothing to do with sex was a bad notion to begin with and I believe is no longer how it is considered, generally. I confess to not being on the vanguard, but some years ago I recall being glad we could get over the "it's not ever sexual, ever at all" perspective.

No, CW is sex, and violence.
Generally I agree, to the extent that it is an act of violence where the instrumentality to carry out the violence and/or infliction of abusive power over the victim is a sex act.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-25-2005 03:35 PM
Achtung!
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
Chaste. Celibate. I was a semenary student. My one vice was the communional wine.
Very nice.

S_A_M

Not Bob 10-25-2005 03:38 PM
Love means never having to say you're sorry, Ollie.
 
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Originally posted by nononono
Oh, thanks, start that rumor, too.
Anti-competitive conduct? Of course. Guilty as charged. What can I say? After all, I could not love thee, dear, so much/loved I not honor more. Uh, less. Whichever.

nononono 10-25-2005 03:56 PM
Love means never having to say you're sorry, Ollie.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
Anti-competitive conduct? Of course. Guilty as charged. What can I say? After all, I could not love thee, dear, so much/loved I not honor more. Uh, less. Whichever.
Yeah,yeah, something else always comes first. If not honor, then football, whatever.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2005 04:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
I agree with that. Like Clinton, Bush I's legacy is as much wasted potential as it is any specific act of governance or leadership.
Bush I steered us out of a recession. Clinton was smart enough to stay the course. Bubba's brilliance was his refusal to tinker with a an economic boom. A stupid president might have actually tried to do something proactive from 92 through 99.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
A stupid president might have actually tried to do something proactive from 92 through 99.
So now you are claiming that Monica was the aggressor? Her mouth just happened to fall on his dick?

Not Bob 10-25-2005 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
So now you are claiming that Monica was the aggressor? Her mouth just happened to fall on his dick?
Actually, I believe she stated that thong-showing was how she attracted his attention.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 04:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
Actually, I believe she stated that thong-showing was how she attracted his attention.
Thong sitings in the office can be hot, Slave excepted. No offence.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 04:30 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
President Bush said today that military action was a "last resort" in dealing with Syria if Damascus refused to co-operate with a United Nations investigation into the murder of Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister.

Translation: Full steam ahead!!!

Woo Hoo!! Now we will finally have a chance to uncover the WMDs that were moved from Iraq and vindicate Colin Powell.

bilmore 10-25-2005 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
Thong sitings . . .
It's gotta be intentional. However, maybe not - "sightings" and "citings" work well, too.

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2005 04:58 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
President Bush said today that military action was a "last resort" in dealing with Syria if Damascus refused to co-operate with a United Nations investigation into the murder of Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister.

Translation: Full steam ahead!!!

Woo Hoo!! Now we will finally have a chance to uncover the WMDs that were moved from Iraq and vindicate Colin Powell.
God Bless these United States! What countries are next to Syria?

bilmore 10-25-2005 05:15 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
President Bush said today that military action was a "last resort" in dealing with Syria if Damascus refused to co-operate with a United Nations investigation into the murder of Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister.

Translation: Full steam ahead!!!

Woo Hoo!! Now we will finally have a chance to uncover the WMDs that were moved from Iraq and vindicate Colin Powell.
Poor Kofi. He's been trying so hard to avoid this - even to the point of doctoring the report on the investigation to hide Syria's involvement. (Hint: turn off "track changes" before submitting doctored SuperSecretTopConfidential report to world leaders. What a dufe.)

Gattigap 10-25-2005 05:18 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
Poor Kofi. He's been trying so hard to avoid this - even to the point of doctoring the report on the investigation to hide Syria's involvement. (Hint: turn off "track changes" before submitting doctored SuperSecretTopConfidential report to world leaders. What a dufe.)
Really? That's pretty funny.

(Seriously. I haven't really followed this story, but if Kofi got burned by MS Word, he's just the latest in a long line of twits to have done so. Remember David Boies' firm, and SCO Group v. [Bank of America, no I'm sorry,] Daimler-Chrysler? Oh, how we laughed.)

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2005 05:20 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
President Bush said today that military action was a "last resort" in dealing with Syria if Damascus refused to co-operate with a United Nations investigation into the murder of Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister.

Translation: Full steam ahead!!!

Woo Hoo!! Now we will finally have a chance to uncover the WMDs that were moved from Iraq and vindicate Colin Powell.
Too little, too late. The uncreative bastard. Didn't he learn anything from Clinton? Lobbing some bombs on a foreign country is not going to detract anyone's gaze from the domestic Exxon Valdez Bush has going on right now.

All eyes are on Fitz.

bilmore 10-25-2005 05:22 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Gattigap
Really? That's pretty funny.

(Seriously. I haven't really followed this story, but if Kofi got burned by MS Word, he's just the latest in a long line of twits to have done so. Remember David Boies' firm, and SCO Group v. [Bank of America, no I'm sorry,] Daimler-Chrysler? Oh, how we laughed.)
Can't resist telling this one.

He promised he'd not get involved in the report - he wouldn't try to sugar-coat, or hide anyone who might be named. Big-time promise.

The report is e-mailed out to the distribution list. If you hit the right buttons, a section that now says "several unnamed Syrian leaders are implicated in . . . " is shown as being the substitute for the names of the top four Syrians including the prez. Time tracking shows that the change was made about six minutes after Kofi was logged in to meet with the report author.

Too funny.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 05:30 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Too little, too late. The uncreative bastard. Didn't he learn anything from Clinton? Lobbing some bombs on a foreign country is not going to detract anyone's gaze from the domestic Exxon Valdez Bush has going on right now.

All eyes are on Fitz.
Yes, the American people care about that. Sorry Sebby but you and you're effette ivy tower faux intellectual NYTimes-reading, Georgetown-UpperEastSide-Berkeley-salon-pontificating looney leftists are going to be disappointed, again, the Commander in Chief has a go here. Green light. The war on terror is opening a new theatre. Break a leg indeed!

The bombs will start dropping before the New Year and one more evil ME empire will bite the dust before the summer solstice. As a bonus, this probably tightens the Israelis grip on the Golan.

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 05:31 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by bilmore
Can't resist telling this one.

He promised he'd not get involved in the report - he wouldn't try to sugar-coat, or hide anyone who might be named. Big-time promise.

The report is e-mailed out to the distribution list. If you hit the right buttons, a section that now says "several unnamed Syrian leaders are implicated in . . . " is shown as being the substitute for the names of the top four Syrians including the prez. Time tracking shows that the change was made about six minutes after Kofi was logged in to meet with the report author.

Too funny.
He should be impeached, but I doubt the French and their leftwing allies in the Demo party would allow such a just fate. They can't even agree that sexual assault is bad.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-25-2005 05:40 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
He should be impeached, but I doubt the French and their leftwing allies in the Demo party would allow such a just fate. They can't even agree that sexual assault is bad.
Wait a minute, Kofi tried to rape the author of the report?

S_A_M

Penske_Account 10-25-2005 05:45 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Wait a minute, Kofi tried to rape the author of the report?

S_A_M
No, apparently his target was the reader.

[TRUE STORY] By the by, I had dim sum for lunch today, and my [other] fortune read:

many people are seeking you for your sound advice [/TRUE STORY]

Indeed.

bilmore 10-25-2005 05:49 PM
Looking upward and onward
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
[TRUE STORY] By the by, I had dim sum for lunch today, and my [other] fortune read:

many people are seeking you for your sound advice [/TRUE STORY]

Indeed.
So, what kind of bookshelf speakers do you think I should put in my . . .


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