The Mid-Morning of the new FB
 

Keep it clean. Or dirty. Or whatever.

And go read one of my favorite war stories ever. Note there are casualties: Harvey the mouse must die

The Mojito is dead
 

As though to confirm that the mojito is dead (unlike the Pisco Sour, which is top secret cool):

N.J. Community Renaming Itself Mojito

This has been around for three days. I can't believe I'm the first to bring it up.

The Mojito is dead
 

Will they be Spiderman 2 the following month? I hear the movie needs a new marketing gimmick, now that MLB decided to hold on to a couple of the last scraps of its dignity.

(Uh, I think when people said baseball should market to kids, they didn't mean market other stuff, they meant market baseball)

The Mojito is dead
 

It's probably because you weren't.

TM

Reality TV
 

Having skipped much of the Friends finale (boring) in favor of Extreme Makeover Home Edition (semi-annoying but watchable) and the NBA, I have a spinoff suggestion for the networks.

I want to see Extreme Makeover, Job Edition. They can start with me and send in a team of crack contract litigators to clean up the boring shit that is currently clogging my desk and in box. Then, marketing experts will assist in making a move to client work that is actually enjoyable and profitable at the same time.

Or, failing that, they can blow the rest of the budget on tuition to get me into film school or something.

ABC, you listening?

Friends finale
 

So I'm curious to hear from people who have watched the show for the last few years whether they liked the finale or not. I thought it was bad. But I haven't watched for at least 5 years, so I don't think I was supposed to like it. And I am happy that it is finally over. Food does still taste good, RT. It might even taste better now, but don't tell NBC. Anyone willing to fess up to being a Friends-watcher?

In other tv news, Survivor was quite good last night. And they are setting up for a very bitter and angry final tribal counsel.

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I think that Rob and Amber's betrayal was totally out of the blue for Big Tom. The way he looked back at them as he was leaving... Ouch. He is a buffoon though, and I was happy to see him go. Anyone willing to wager at all against Amber winning the whole thing?

international relations
 

What would it take for Diane Keaton's avatar and gwinky's avatar to get busy?

Friends finale
 

I watch it, but I don't know why. I had stopped, but then got tivo, so it just sits there begging to be watched. before i just missed it, and thought "meh." now, I watch it and think "meh." There are worse ways to waste 1/2 hour, though

Even with 250 episodes or so, I don't think I can remember the plot of more than a few, if that. It's like junk food--it seems enjoyable at the time, but it's an utterly unmemorable show. Does it have some funny, laughable moments? Sure. But for the most part the humor was pretty banal and lightweight compared to, e.g., Seinfeld, for which many of the episodes were memorable in themselves, as well as the lines they spawned. What does friends have? "Could I be ____ any more ___" and "How YOU doin'" and "On a break" That's pretty much it, I think.

As for the finale, again, banal. If not insulting slapstick stupid at times. It wraps up everything in a neat bow, although other than Ross and Rachel, what was left to wrap up? The sex of the Monica's baby? whoop-t-do. We can all relax knowing that they'll all be happy. and we get to see Joey continue to be joey, at least until the inevitable move to Saturday night in mid-November and cancelation in January.

Have we had the "best series finale ever" debate? My vote remains The Wonder Years, but I never watched MASH or MTM.

Friends finale
 

I don't know if I count as a watcher in that I don't make a point of watching it but if it is on, I watch it and enjoy it. I always thought the writing was good.

I didn't watch the finale, though because I had other things to do.

Friends finale
 

Newhart was pretty good. Other than that, I draw a blank.

Hot or not?
 

I'm not even sure I trust what they consider hot. I notice men and women often think very different people are really, really stunning.

In any event, I've known a number of very hot women (by both male and female standards, whatever those are). All but one of them had a good number of female friends, even the bitchy ones, though the bitchy ones tended to have bitchier friends (not necessarily better looking and thus more "competitive" friends, I'd note). All of the hotties had a noticeable minority of women act strangely around them on occasion, but it seemed to my observation a comparable number to those who appeared to treat them with more interest or respect because of their looks.

The one who didn't have any female friends was as crazy as PLF's haberdasher, and had a bad case of the aristocratic vice (i.e.: saying whatever she wanted to whomever she wanted, which in her case was often AMAZINGLY insulting). Her shunning by women was definitely personality related, and definitely women didn't put up with while a lot of men did (she insulted men just as freely as women). Oddly for a woman who was so good looking that men would turn around in the middle of the street just to follow her for hours (literally, and witnessed first hand multiple times), or maybe not so oddly, she was really, really insecure about her looks.

I am more interested in why men and women tend to think different people are really gorgeous. I have a vague notion that women give more credit to polish, while men give more credit to big boobs. I don't even have enough annecdotal evidence to hazard a guess, though.

Friends finale
 

The MASH finale was horrible. Two hours of Hawkeye crying about a chicken. This is what happens when sitcoms start taking themselves too seriously.

Friends finale
 

I'd have to vote MASH. I understand Newhart was amazing, but I never watched and so wouldn't know.

Had BTVS ended with the battle v. the Mayor at graduation, it would have been up there.

eta - good point about the crying about the chicken, but at the time I remember it was pretty effective.

Hot or not?
 

I'm interested in this, too. I can't even figure out why I find some people gorgeous but think that others don't do it for me when they clearly do for some. Don't think it's big boobs, NTTAWWT, present company excluded. I'd like to think it's something about personality, but how much can you tell about someone's personality from a still photo?

international relations
 

I'd pay two dollars to see that! Yowza!!

Friends finale
 

I quibble. Had BTVS ended with either one of Buffy's deaths, it would have been up there.

Paypal
 

Friends finale
 

I'm going with Seinfeld just b/c everyone else hated it, and by liking it I'm expressing my individuality.

The Mojito is dead
 

Friends finale
 

Well, when we found out it was a baby, not a chicken, it was a little more affecting. But I remember getting irritable about his anguish over a chicken before they revealed in a startling twist that it was a baby.

some girls are bigger than others
 

Straight up! More bounce for the ounce. Ba-ba-ba-booom!

Hot or not?
 

Depends on much of their boobies are showing.

The Sports Guy on the "Friends" Finale (and the "OC")
 

Pretty funny:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/040507

My favorites:

"Thinking about a guy watching "Friends" always makes me think of that Seinfeld episode when George gets back with Susan, then realizes he can't get out, and the show ends with them watching "Mad About You" together as she looks happy and he looks like he might throw up at any second."

"Suddenly, male characters were confessing "I love you" while the studio audience went bonkers -- just a room full of females shrieking in delight, like one of those Oprah episodes where Oprah gives away blenders to the entire audience."

Friends finale
 

You fell for that? Sometimes a chicken is just a chicken.

Friends finale
 

Did it turn out to be a chicken for real? I only ever saw it when it first aired. And it seems like that was a while ago.

Friends finale
 

Sledge Hammer. Although, it was just a season finale, when it aired they thought it was over.

'Despite widespread praise and a passionate fan base, "Sledge Hammer!" was apparently not destined for a second season. (After all, the old saying is… satire is what closes on Saturday nights.)

Taking a satirical, as well as fatalistic, approach to the situation… the series finale ended with an impossible to resolve cliffhanger in which Hammer, whilst attempting to disarm a nuclear warhead, obliterated his entire city.

For inexplicable reasons, the final episode showed significant improvement in the ratings.

To the surprise of many, including those who worked on the show, "Sledge Hammer!" was renewed for a second season…'

http://www.sledgehammeronline.com/show_history4.htm

TM

Friends finale
 

So it pretty much doesn't qualify. Although that was a fantastic show. Much more watchable had tivo been around then, so it wouldn't be on on a saturday night.

Friends finale
 

Both of Buffy's deaths would have qualified under that criteria then.

Friends finale
 

Which two deaths are you thinking of? Glory, obviously (and I can't credit it, I was just so friggin' annoyed with just about every character by then that even though I can admit that, yes, objectively, it was a pretty good finale and the final shot of the headstone was perfect, it still bugs me more than I can get over), and the Master in S1? She was alive again by the end of the ep. Was there another death I'm blanking on?

Friends finale
 

Yes. It's really the only network show I watch (although I often miss it, because it's usually pretty hectic around my house at that time). I did watch ER last night too (a show I used to watch), but I haven't watched it regularly in a long time. It could be that last night was the only episode I've seen of this season -- and Thandie Newton is a babe.

The last couple of years have been really good. There were a few years there in the middle that were pretty so-so, but the last three years were way above average. The episode with Freddie Prinze Jr. (I think that's the guy -- the one who plays Fred in the Scooby Doo movies) as the male nanny was hilarious.

Go ahead, tease me mercilessly for liking a tv show. I can take it.

Friends finale
 

Those were the two deaths. They had no idea if the show would be picked up when they filmed the first season, and I think that episode was a perfect ecapsulation of the series and was a damned good episode on top of that. Perfect season finale.

Glory bugs the shit out of me too, but it was a great finale. That was filmed/written when they weren't sure whether or not UPN would pick up the series. I liked Buffy dead at the end of the episode, and given the train wreck that was the Glory/Ben plotline, it ended fairly well.

Friends finale
 

So did you like the finale? I found it pat and contrived. Not to mention overly emotional for the characters considering that no one was really going anywhere except that Monica and Chandler were (gasp!) moving to a house.

Hot or not?
 

Men care more about bodies (as opposed to faces) than women do. That doesn't mean that men don't care about faces, they do. They just give more weight to the woman's body than a woman gives to a woman's body when assessing level of attractiveness.

Men find a sexier look more attractive than women do.

Friends finale
 

Yes.

http://www.adorocinema.com/personali...e-newton02.jpg

And I'm off the Aniston train. She used to be attractive, but her face is TOO defined now. She has that Jack Nicholson as the Joker smile going on.

Hot in the mid-90s though.

Friends finale
 

Weird. I thought her face looked sort of pudgy last night. The bangs were awful and did nothing for her face. It seemed like they were curled under circa 1985. Ugh.

Friends finale
 

> SPOILER <

The only bit that worked for me was the ripping apart of the foosball table. Not that I will admit to having watched it, but my wife is a fan.

Friends finale
 

I didn't see it last night. I was referring to her face over the past year or so.

I'm just happy that the "Friends" time slot will be replaced by "Scrubs," so I'll know when it's actually on. Is it me, or was it being moved around a lot?

Friends finale
 

Well for the most part it sucked because it was so predictable and it took an hour to develop a half hour story line. Saying goodbye - again?!? Wasn't that last week? And yes we needed to see Ross and Rachel finally be adults and admit that they love each other. So many people in real life do this - they hold back because they don't to be the one who gets hurt. The twins story line - meh. And Phoebe, no closure, nothing for Phoebes. So out of 10 it gets a 5 for season enders. Mainly because 2 years of hype was hard to live up to. Newhart ender - the best. Pulling in the Dallas ridiculous dream sequence was great.

fashion faux pas, or does the de minimis exception apply?
 

Brown shoes, brown belt, black watchband?

Friends finale
 

The last year was good in the fact that many people came to realize they are who they are. Carter has accepted the fact that he's rich and can help people. Carrie has come to accept her lifestyle. Abby finally decided to do something with her life and not try to live it through her family ando/or others. Luka knows that he's a man slut.