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ThurgreedMarshall 03-26-2003 11:32 AM

Re: My board is bigger than your board
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
It's the BIG board.
I'm digging the name.

TM

Alex_de_Large 03-26-2003 02:20 PM

TM, is that Travis Bickle?

ThurgreedMarshall 03-27-2003 09:52 AM

nope
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
TM, is that Travis Bickle?
It's Francis from Stripes, man. Damn.

Thurgreed("any of you homos touch me...I'll kill you")Marshall

Alex_de_Large 03-27-2003 09:53 AM

Aahhhhh. Now it all makes sense...

spookyfish 03-28-2003 11:23 AM

Re: nope
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
It's Francis from Stripes, man. Damn.

Thurgreed("any of you homos touch me...I'll kill you")Marshall

Every time I see a post with that avatar, I can't help but laugh.

spookyfish

Tyrone Slothrop 03-28-2003 01:45 PM

Re: nope
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
It's Francis from Stripes, man. Damn.

Thurgreed("any of you homos touch me...I'll kill you")Marshall

A movie that seems particularly relevant these days. "It's Czechoslovakia. It's like Wisconsin -- we zip in, we zip out." "I got the shit kicked out of me in Wisconsin once."

T. (and then there's the urban assault vehicle) S.

dtb 03-28-2003 03:41 PM

Re: Re: nope
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
A movie that seems particularly relevant these days. "It's Czechoslovakia. It's like Wisconsin -- we zip in, we zip out." "I got the shit kicked out of me in Wisconsin once."

T. (and then there's the urban assault vehicle) S.

We had a car waiting....

Flinty_McFlint 03-28-2003 08:29 PM

Re: Re: Re: nope
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dtb
We had a car waiting....
Not to rehash old topics, but Stripes is one of those movies that I'll have to finish watching, no matter if it's at the beginning, middle or end. That and Blues Brothers. I need a life.

Flinty

not_ivy 04-03-2003 08:21 PM

Zees beeg board, eet ees not veddy beeg.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-03-2003 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by not_ivy
Zees beeg board, eet ees not veddy beeg.
Well then, let's make it bigger with some pictures of Stupid Backhoe Tricks.

http://safetycenter.navy.mil/images/photo73_1.jpg

http://safetycenter.navy.mil/images/photo73_3.jpg

http://safetycenter.navy.mil/images/photo73_4.jpg

http://safetycenter.navy.mil/images/photo73_5.jpg

This is not a veiled reference to the difficulties of launching this board on Morgan's site, or the skill with which MR et al. did same. We now return you to your previously scheduled programming.

Penske_Account 04-07-2003 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by not_ivy
Zees beeg board, eet ees not veddy beeg.
How do you define "beeg"? And keep it clean please, this is a family board!

Tyrone Slothrop 04-08-2003 07:24 PM

Apropos of nothing,
 
this is kinda cool.

http://www-bcs.mit.edu/people/adelso...rshadow-AB.jpg

Alex_de_Large 04-08-2003 08:58 PM

I have always wanted to learn to play Jai-alai
 
http://www.fistick.com/JPGS/ja06.jpg

Atticus Grinch 04-08-2003 10:45 PM

I have always wanted to learn to play Jai-alai
 
What a coincidence! Apparently, Prince Charles always wanted to be a Tampan. At least, I think I got that right.

Atticus Grinch 04-08-2003 10:47 PM

I have always wanted to learn to play Jai-alai
 
Well, shiooot, it only makes sense if the page break isn't there.

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
http://www.fistick.com/JPGS/ja06.jpg

Flinty_McFlint 04-09-2003 01:46 AM

Apropos of nothing,
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
this is kinda cool.

http://www-bcs.mit.edu/people/adelso...rshadow-AB.jpg

Tyrone, that's just freaky. Keep em coming.

thebigbaddawg 04-09-2003 08:14 AM

Apropos of nothing,
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Tyrone, that's just freaky. Keep em coming.
Except it's not true.

Alex_de_Large 04-09-2003 06:29 PM

The Prophet of Rage
 
Damn if this isn't a badass pic of the S1W's

http://www.publicenemy.com/gallery/images/s1sword.jpg

Flinty_McFlint 04-09-2003 10:51 PM

Apropos of nothing,
 
Quote:

Originally posted by thebigbaddawg
Except it's not true.
Check out the site, run through the flash animations, then come back with your report, counselor.

: )

Flinty_McFlint 04-09-2003 10:56 PM

Apropos of nothing,
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Check out the site, run through the flash animations, then come back with your report, counselor.

: )
Sorry, try this link:

http://department.stat.ucla.edu:1608...n/shadow1.html

Your eyes can play tricks on you.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-21-2003 06:53 PM

Securities Fraud Settlements
 
According to the New York Law Journal, "the average price of settling a securities fraud case rose 68 percent to $24.3 million, compared with $16.6 million in 2001, according to a new study by Stanford Law School's Securities Class Action Clearinghouse and Cornerstone Research." Plaintiff's lawyers say, it's just the beginning. Defense lawyers say, go back to your homes, there's nothing to see here.

Atticus Grinch 04-22-2003 05:24 PM

Things I Wished I Had Known When I Was in Law School
 
Today I came across an old e-mail I had sent to a friend who was considering going to law school. At his request, I wrote down ten rules of thumb that I had learned at the end of my law school career that I wished I had known as a 1L.

I post them because, while the new board has been surprisingly free of LS types asking the LS Timmy questions, there should be a FAQ for law students asking the usual "Should I take 'Evidence' or 'The Law and Film'?" questions.

Feel free to post your own advice. It's not like there's much else happening on this particular board.

Quote:

[list=1][*]There is no such thing as a non-trick question.
[*]The Socratic Method is not an enterprise in group learning. It is a game of "Hide the Ball" that would be punished with violence if played in any self-regulating schoolyard. Don't ever be embarassed not to know the answer, because wrong answers slow the Socratic learning process down to a pace that can actually be withstood by its pupils and that actually fits the professor's secret reading schedule for the semester.
[*]Everything that seems incomprehensible will eventually be reduced down to an outline, usually just before the exam and sometimes just before The Exam. You will be forced to pay extra for this outline. This outline contains what you need to know for their purposes, so buy it. Corollary: Do not believe that this outline actually contains the law.
[*]Remember your job: Half the time you'll be looking for a reason the rule applies. The other half of the time you'll be looking for a reason the rule doesn't apply. You never know which side you're on until it's too late.
[*]Intelligence is necessary in law school, but law school does not reward it. It rewards compliance with an intellectual tradition. Intelligence gets you into law school; compliance gets you through it. (It's not as bad as it sounds, and will prepare you for the life you have chosen.)
[*]The most important class you will take is Legal Writing & Research, or whatever your school calls it. Corollary: Sadly and contrary to all reason, moot court is a ridiculous waste of time, but law review is not.
[*]When reading a case, remember that it's necessarily on appeal and what happened in the trial court matters, but was probably a close call. When in doubt, assume the trial court obtained real justice based on inadmissible evidence, and/or that the losing party or lawyer was an asshole and couldn't hide it. Assume that the appellate court always cares more about The Law than it does about the litigants or justice in the individual case. Corollary: Decisions in law school case books are almost always unjust, but produce sensible rules that are easily applied in other cases you don't have in your case book. They picked that particular case just to fuck with your mind, or because it was first, not because it's the best.
[*]There really is a difference between de novo review and the abuse of discretion review. However, the real-world application of this difference is known only to appellate justices. Corollary: Your law professor is not an appellate justice.
[*]All evidence to the contrary, the law is never intentionally dumb. If dumb, it will be construed narrowly and will naturally seek never to be applied, except by a contrarian professor who is jerking your chain.
[*]When you feel like you can't take it anymore, remember that there's nothing quite like standing in open court and introducing yourself. "Good morning, Your Honor. [Your Name Here] for the plaintiff." Corollary: Never never never never use "Esq." on your correspondence. Not even once. Not even as a joke.[/list=1]

Special bonus advice: Learn Community Property law, even if your state does not apply it. If married, live your life according to Community Property principles. Any other regime is barbarism.

fnordfnordhummingbird 04-29-2003 04:14 PM

All I Ever Needed to Know, I Learned in Parntership Taxation
 
Interesting list, AG, but I've got to quibble with at least a couple:

Quote:

There is no such thing as a non-trick question.
Bah! People get themselves into trouble in law school because they always think the easy, logical answer is too easy or too logical. Profs generally don't have the time or the inclination to be crafting cleverly tricky exam or lecture questions. They're too busy writing grant applications and trying to find obscure Swedish trial court opinions for their upcoming article. The only trick questions I saw in law school were the ones that tricked me by not being trick questions.

Quote:

The Socratic Method is not an enterprise in group learning. . . Don't ever be embarassed not to know the answer, because wrong answers slow the Socratic learning process down to a pace that can actually be withstood by its pupils and that actually fits the professor's secret reading schedule for the semester.
I agree that the Socratic Method is not particularly practical in 60-100 person lectures. Socrates never had more than a dozen or so pupils, if my Classics professor is to be believed. That being said, as an intellectual tool, it's vastly superior to the lecture method because it forces the student to learn the process of deriving a result, rather than merely memorizing the result. Knowing that Mrs. Palsgraf was not owed a duty is one thing, but being able to understand how the result in that case can be applied to your client's food poisoning case is another thing.

But in terms of a practical rule, you're spot on with the "don't be embarassed to not know the answer." The whole assumption of the Socratic Method is that you won't usually know the answer when the question is first presented. Nor should one be embarassed to reason-- oftentimes flawedly-- out loud. That's the whole point of the exercise.

Quote:

The most important class you will take is Legal Writing & Research, or whatever your school calls it. Corollary: Sadly and contrary to all reason, moot court is a ridiculous waste of time, but law review is not.
Research & Writing may nominally be the most important class, but ironically, in most schools, it's given the least emphasis by the school and taught by the least competent instructors. When the FFH School of Law manages to get accredited, the first and second years will be typical of the current law school experience, while third year will basically be a junior lawyer trade school. Students will take an hour a day of research and two hours a day of reasoning and writing, learning how to write for various audiences, how to structure an argument, and how to develop a case strategy that consists of more than "But my adversary is bad!"

Your other observation is crap. Law review is thoroughly useless. 90% of what I edited was pseudo-intellectual gibberish postulated by blowhards. At best, it taught me that being a law professor was easily the most horrible job on Earth. On the other hand, a well-implemented moot court program (which, admittedly, is not too common) can be a good sandbox for junior litigators. Of course, instead of pointless appellate arguments, moot courts should consist of suppression hearings, preliminary injunction hearings, and the like-- shit that people will actually do when they find themselves in courtooms.

Quote:

There really is a difference between de novo review and the abuse of discretion review. However, the real-world application of this difference is known only to appellate justices. Corollary: Your law professor is not an appellate justice.
Again, partial credit. The professor won't know the difference. But goddamit, if you walk into a trial court without an understanding of how the appeals court is going to review what happens, you're committing malpractice. Knowing when the ruling you're arguing for or against is going to be reviewed for abuse of discretion requires you to handle it much, much differently than one which is going to be reveiewed de novo. (If nothing else, how can you effectively advise your client if you don't know how well your hard-fought trial ruling will stand up to appeal?) Again, that's why law school should be less focused upon theory and more focused on teaching practical skills and knowledge.

As for my substitute rules for those of yours I disagree with, how about these:

1. No persuasive argument contains the words "fair" or "unfair." Persauasive arguments usually contain the words "logical" or "illogical."

2. People who don't use pinpoint cites probably didn't read the case.

3. If you can't be a genius, be prepared. If you can't be prepared, be contrite. If you can't be contrite, go to medical school.

4. From Day 1 of first year, constantly ask yourself whether you would be willing to have each of your classmates represent you if you were accused of a crime five years from now. If, by graduation, you're not down to only about a half-dozen people you'd call in that situation, you're not sufficiently discriminating and you're going to spend many painful years with bad clients, bad cases, and bad arguments.

Atticus Grinch 04-29-2003 04:31 PM

All I Ever Needed to Know, I Learned in Parntership Taxation
 
Quote:

Originally posted by fnordfnordhummingbird
Your other observation is crap. Law review is thoroughly useless. 90% of what I edited was pseudo-intellectual gibberish postulated by blowhards.
And you have the temerity to lecture me that the purpose of law school is to prepare one for the actual practice of law? I can think of no better boot camp for the life I lead today. And that's just the Politics Board. :D

Quote:

But goddamit, if you walk into a trial court without an understanding of how the appeals court is going to review what happens, you're committing malpractice.
Well, duh. Of course you should know in advance which incantation the three weird sisters are going to use over the cauldron. I said the real world application of the standard of review is known only to appellate justices. It turns out it's a lot more flexible than your professors would have you believe. Corollary: "harmless error" is a doctrine that arose merely to allow an appellate justice to say what the law is, but not actually to apply it to the case at bar.

Quote:

3. If you can't be a genius, be prepared. If you can't be prepared, be contrite. If you can't be contrite, go to medical school.
That's a good one.

Mister_Ruysbroeck 04-29-2003 04:48 PM

Apropos of nothing,
 
Quote:

Originally posted by thebigbaddawg
Except it's not true.
actually, it is true. I've modified the image by taking a color swab and drawing a wide line connecting the two squares. This line cuts through the shadow and destroys the illusion.

http://www.lawtalkers.com/shadow.jpg

Tyrone Slothrop 04-29-2003 05:41 PM

All I Ever Needed to Know, I Learned in Parntership Taxation
 
Quote:

Originally posted by fnordfnordhummingbird
People get themselves into trouble in law school because they always think the easy, logical answer is too easy or too logical. Profs generally don't have the time or the inclination to be crafting cleverly tricky exam or lecture questions. They're too busy writing grant applications and trying to find obscure Swedish trial court opinions for their upcoming article. The only trick questions I saw in law school were the ones that tricked me by not being trick questions.
One of the smarter people in my section told me this about a week into our first year of law school, and it took me another two or three months to figure out that it was a trick.

janal 04-30-2003 08:33 AM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
It is a good thing that lawtalkers is up and running. Infirmation is down and dead and has been for days.

WHTFH 04-30-2003 09:52 AM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by janal
It is a good thing that lawtalkers is up and running. Infirmation is down and dead and has been for days.
Yeah, five posts in over a week. It's a great alternative.

leagleaze 04-30-2003 10:20 AM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by WHTFH
Yeah, five posts in over a week. It's a great alternative.
Actually, this week, we have had 620 posts so far. This morning we have had 55 so far. Just not on this particular board.

Mister_Ruysbroeck 04-30-2003 10:59 AM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by WHTFH
Yeah, five posts in over a week. It's a great alternative.
No one is forcing you to waste time on the internet.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-30-2003 12:32 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by WHTFH
Yeah, five posts in over a week. It's a great alternative.
You're just a veritable ray of sunshine whenever you post.

Lexus Talionis 04-30-2003 01:00 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
Actually, this week, we have had 620 posts so far. This morning we have had 55 so far. Just not on this particular board.
Which was my point over in the feedback section. It's hard to participate in a conversation when you can't find it. The "new post" flags help, but I don't have time to go through all the regional boards looking for something interesting to respond to. It's easy to tell where the fashion and politics conversations are, which is why there are so many hits on those boards. (OK, the sex helps, too.) It's a lot harder to get a flow going in a conversation about, oh, I don't know - law?

evenodds 04-30-2003 01:17 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Lexus Talionis
Which was my point over in the feedback section. It's hard to participate in a conversation when you can't find it. The "new post" flags help, but I don't have time to go through all the regional boards looking for something interesting to respond to. It's easy to tell where the fashion and politics conversations are, which is why there are so many hits on those boards. (OK, the sex helps, too.) It's a lot harder to get a flow going in a conversation about, oh, I don't know - law?
I usually check the active thread section on the home page to see what is happening as people create new threads. The new software upgrade should provide an easier way of finding new posts of interest.

In the meantime, are there any changes you suggest to make the site more user friendly?

Lexus Talionis 04-30-2003 01:31 PM

Please see my post in the feedback forum.

Res ipsa loquitor.

hellakewl13 04-30-2003 02:07 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by janal
It is a good thing that lawtalkers is up and running. Infirmation is down and dead and has been for days.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformation...7-minister.jpg

There is no other board. Never! God willing,
your stomach will rot in hell should you ever mention
another board again. Saddam be praised.

leagleaze 04-30-2003 02:39 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Lexus Talionis
Which was my point over in the feedback section. It's hard to participate in a conversation when you can't find it. The "new post" flags help, but I don't have time to go through all the regional boards looking for something interesting to respond to. It's easy to tell where the fashion and politics conversations are, which is why there are so many hits on those boards. (OK, the sex helps, too.) It's a lot harder to get a flow going in a conversation about, oh, I don't know - law?
Try clicking on View New Posts, which is a link on the home page.

That might help you. It will give you a list of all the new posts since you last read the board, it will also tell you the subject name and where they are located.

WHTFH 04-30-2003 04:03 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
You're just a veritable ray of sunshine whenever you post.
I've only recently become embittered. I used to be just pedantic, and mildly amusing in rare instances. Why is it that the more I get paid, the more I realize how much this job sucks?

SlaveNoMore 04-30-2003 04:06 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by WHTFH
I've only recently become embittered. I used to be just pedantic, and mildly amusing in rare instances. Why is it that the more I get paid, the more I realize how much this job sucks?
For some reason, I recall you being embittered as "goldycuffs" as far back as 2000.

I see the Heisman sock caught up.

not7yS

Tyrone Slothrop 04-30-2003 04:07 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by WHTFH
I've only recently become embittered. I used to be just pedantic, and mildly amusing in rare instances. Why is it that the more I get paid, the more I realize how much this job sucks?
Before you thought you would be happier if you just made more money. Now you know that's not it.

I liked the pedantic Heisman better. Self-medicate, or get therapy, or -- better yet -- a new job.

WHTFH 04-30-2003 04:17 PM

Infirmation Has Been Down for Days
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
For some reason, I recall you being embittered as "goldycuffs" as far back as 2000.

I see the Heisman sock caught up.

not7yS
Well, I changed jobs right about then, so maybe that's what caused a schism. Maybe I should just get a new job, or a new moniker.

So, do you know of any mid-level corporate generalist positions that are open? Shouldn't be too tough to find a new job, what do you think?

WHTF_(poster formerly known as goldencuffs, formerly known as '40Acter)_Heisman


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