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Tyrone Slothrop 03-26-2018 06:19 PM

We are all Slave now.
 
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Tyrone Slothrop 03-26-2018 06:28 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZFT6mTU0AAWKMi.jpg

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-26-2018 06:54 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513956)

Not bad, but too much hair for slave.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-26-2018 06:55 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 513957)
Not bad, but too much hair for slave.

Haven't seen it for a while, but I think Slave's hair is well-regulated.

SlaveNoMore 03-26-2018 06:56 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Better than Negan....

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/m...800&w=800&q=85

Tyrone Slothrop 03-26-2018 08:34 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
A bulletin from the on-going struggle against anti-Semitism.

SlaveNoMore 03-26-2018 10:19 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
In respect to Trane, who've Ive never met in person, yet a poster I respect immensely, copying and pasting here:

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Coltrane "Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading."

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care."
Any shooter, every shooter, will tell you this is a lie. Having friends wounded by a .22 in a mugging, friends killed by a .45, and personally knowing the Amerlite rifle well, this is total BS. Physics, dude. Small, fast bullet.

But hey - let's promote shotguns - not as scary-lookin' as those mean AR-15s, and far less dangerous. Ish.

SlaveNo(DanaLoeshIsMyPenPal)More

sebastian_dangerfield 03-27-2018 12:24 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 513961)
In respect to Trane, who've Ive never met in person, yet a poster I respect immensely, copying and pasting here:



Any shooter, every shooter, will tell you this is a lie. Having friends wounded by a .22 in a mugging, friends killed by a .45, and personally knowing the Amerlite rifle well, this is total BS. Physics, dude. Small, fast bullet.

But hey - let's promote shotguns - not as scary-lookin' as those mean AR-15s, and far less dangerous. Ish.

SlaveNo(DanaLoeshIsMyPenPal)More

A .22 will kill most effectively if you shoot someone in the head (rattles around). But in terms of shots to the body, it’s nowhere near an AR-15.

Nobody needs an assault rifle. But still, I agree, a sane person who wants one has a technical right to it. The issue isn’t which gun kills most effectively. It’s why not have reasonable background checks? It’s only sensible, and it’s constitutional. If the right to bear arms isn’t one of degree, subject to reasonable constraint, any paranoid billionaire could own tactical nukes.

I personally don’t get why anyone needs assault weapons. However, if you want them, is it unreasonable for us to ask you prove you’re not crazy prior to acquisition? I know it’s apples and oranges, but if we make folks jump thru hoops for weed, and tell them they shan’t take psychedelics, it seems we can tell them they have to prove they’re not cuckoo pants before we allow them to obtain something that can quickly kill a room full of people.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-27-2018 09:45 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 513961)
In respect to Trane, who've Ive never met in person, yet a poster I respect immensely, copying and pasting here:



Any shooter, every shooter, will tell you this is a lie. Having friends wounded by a .22 in a mugging, friends killed by a .45, and personally knowing the Amerlite rifle well, this is total BS. Physics, dude. Small, fast bullet.

But hey - let's promote shotguns - not as scary-lookin' as those mean AR-15s, and far less dangerous. Ish.

SlaveNo(DanaLoeshIsMyPenPal)More

I'd suggest seeing your doctor about a Viagra prescription. It will be more effective at dealing with your problem.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-27-2018 12:09 PM

Sign of a Top
 
I think pronouncements like this are sign that exactly the opposite of what's stated is soon to follow: https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...-haass-2018-03

All of this discussion of nationalism on the rise, Putin's winning streak, the trade squabble with China, ignores the fact that markets, tech connections, and trade continue to strengthen international ties.

I hear this hysterical stuff on CNN and from Morning Joe about how the world is splintering. But what's the economic case for that argument? Am I missing something? Looks to me like Trump is picking issues and fights of little consequence so that he may appear to be a nationalist to his base while allowing free trade to roll along unfettered.

Adder 03-27-2018 12:32 PM

Re: Sign of a Top
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 513964)
I think pronouncements like this are sign that exactly the opposite of what's stated is soon to follow: https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...-haass-2018-03

All of this discussion of nationalism on the rise, Putin's winning streak, the trade squabble with China, ignores the fact that markets, tech connections, and trade continue to strengthen international ties.

Agreed.

LessinSF2 03-27-2018 01:29 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
I was not in Kentucky on that date - http://opinions.kycourts.net/sc/2018-SC-000047-KB.pdf

Tyrone Slothrop 03-27-2018 02:25 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF2 (Post 513966)
I was not in Kentucky on that date - http://opinions.kycourts.net/sc/2018-SC-000047-KB.pdf

Slave says that blowing a .337 has the same effect as blowing a .03 or a .45.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-27-2018 03:30 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Huge win at the Federal Circuit for Oracle over Google. Not my area of the law, but this always seemed like the intuitively right result to me. That said, I know a lot of people disagree.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-27-2018 03:36 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
[see TM's better post on p 3]

Replaced_Texan 03-27-2018 04:02 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 513954)
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...n-guns/553937/

"Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading."

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care."

My understanding is that if the crime scene photos from Sandy Hook ever came out in public, the entire debate would be over pretty quickly. The carnage caused by these weapons is pretty horrific.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-27-2018 04:03 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF2 (Post 513966)
I was not in Kentucky on that date - http://opinions.kycourts.net/sc/2018-SC-000047-KB.pdf

Why aren't you representing the President? You're not any more incompetent than the fools he's tried so far.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-27-2018 05:07 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 513972)
Why aren't you representing the President? You're not any more incompetent than the fools he's tried so far.

Shot

Chaser

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-27-2018 05:18 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513973)

I'd bet Slave is also no less unethical than any of the other people being discussed as Trump's potential lawyer(s).

Tyrone Slothrop 03-27-2018 06:45 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 513974)
I'd bet Slave is also no less unethical than any of the other people being discussed as Trump's potential lawyer(s).

The two of you should get a room.

Hank Chinaski 03-27-2018 07:50 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513975)
The two of you should get a room.

Remember our Churchill/Chamberlain chats? https://www.inspiringquotes.us/quotes/Pt7r_JSDctzVM I suppose if he had retained power the scourge that is now Israel could have been avoided?

sebastian_dangerfield 03-27-2018 08:30 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 513971)
My understanding is that if the crime scene photos from Sandy Hook ever came out in public, the entire debate would be over pretty quickly. The carnage caused by these weapons is pretty horrific.

There’s precedent supporting some success from that approach: Emmett Till. Lynchings didn’t end, but public revulsion definitely pared them.

We should also do it with executions. Eye for an eye? Okay. But as did the biblical proponents of that approach, sit and watch the process, Mr. Law-n-Order.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-28-2018 01:24 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513976)
Remember our Churchill/Chamberlain chats? https://www.inspiringquotes.us/quotes/Pt7r_JSDctzVM I suppose if he had retained power the scourge that is now Israel could have been avoided?

Speaking of Israel, if you were upset with Kerry for repeating another country's confidences years later, what do you think about Bolton repeating sharing his own country's confidences in real time?

Hank Chinaski 03-28-2018 07:25 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
fuck, really? https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/us/nr...rnd/index.html

Hank Chinaski 03-28-2018 07:26 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513978)
Speaking of Israel, if you were upset with Kerry for repeating another country's confidences years later, what do you think about Bolton repeating sharing his own country's confidences in real time?

Haha funny! Did you get a laugh about the labor party anti-Jewish hate in England too?

Tyrone Slothrop 03-28-2018 07:39 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513980)
Haha funny! Did you get a laugh about the labor party anti-Jewish hate in England too?

Didn't laugh at either. Was I supposed to?

Tyrone Slothrop 03-28-2018 07:40 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513979)

I wonder how much of that money came from overseas.

Hank Chinaski 03-28-2018 08:06 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513981)
Didn't laugh at either. Was I supposed to?

Dunno. I'm not anti-Israeli so cannot give you notes. More posting to see if maybe you rethink your love of Neville C or understand a bit more what Israel is dealing with. And full disclosure- do not expect you to do more to deflect some other way.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-28-2018 08:28 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513983)
Dunno. I'm not anti-Israeli so cannot give you notes. More posting to see if maybe you rethink your love of Neville C or understand a bit more what Israel is dealing with. And full disclosure- do not expect you to do more to deflect some other way.

I'm not anti-Israel either. You must be confusing me with someone else.

Nor do I love Neville Chamberlain or even know much about him beyond that he was the crucial vote in the War Cabinet in May 1940 on Churchill's side to keep fighting instead of negotiating terms with Germany, or that he died of cancer not too much later. Oh, and the Munich thing.

You, OTOH, are trolling.

Hank Chinaski 03-28-2018 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513984)
I'm not anti-Israel either. You must be confusing me with someone else.

Nor do I love Neville Chamberlain or even know much about him beyond that he was the crucial vote in the War Cabinet in May 1940 on Churchill's side to keep fighting instead of negotiating terms with Germany, or that he died of cancer not too much later. Oh, and the Munich thing.

You, OTOH, are trolling.

Ty I think of you as a friend. I only met you once, and you picked a restaurant the seemed to be over a sewer, but I like you very much. But calling you out for what seems a bias is no more trolling than telling Sebby’s his vote made Trump prez.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-29-2018 11:41 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513985)
Ty I think of you as a friend. I only met you once, and you picked a restaurant the seemed to be over a sewer, but I like you very much. But calling you out for what seems a bias is no more trolling than telling Sebby’s his vote made Trump prez.

Ty, in Hank's defense, he really is a harmless troll.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-29-2018 01:29 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513985)
what seems a bias

If Sebby has more interest in criminal justice reform than I do, I don't say that he is "biased" towards criminal justice reform or criminal defendants, or biased against prosecutors. He might be, but that would be different.

If I am less sympathetic to Israel's current government on matters of policy than you or many Americans are, which I suspect is the case, that does not mean I am "anti-Israel", which carries more than a whiff of anti-Zionism. It may just mean that, like many Israelis, I take a different view of what is in Israel's interests than its current government does, and/or that I take a different view of what is in the United States' interests than the Israeli government does, which wouldn't be surprising inasmuch as the Israeli government was elected by Israelis to serve Israel, not by Americans to serve America. Nor do any of those views (necessarily) have anything to do with "bias" and Neville Chamberlain's anti-Semitism. Even so, some Americans find it useful to accuse people they disagree with on foreign policy of anti-Semitism, and perhaps some of them even believe it.

There are anti-Semites who are anti-Israel and disagree with Israel's government. There are jackasses who live in Michigan. None of that means that disagreement with Israel's government makes you biased against Jews, or that you are a jackass.

Since we weren't talking about any of this just now until you posted about my purported anti-Israel and philo-Chamberlain views, what you've said sounds a lot like trolling. Since you are a friend and I assume you don't want to lightly accuse me of anti-Semitism for no good reason, I will assume that wasn't what you meant and that you aren't a jackass.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-29-2018 01:51 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Skadden doesn't come off so well here. I wonder if this guy was taking summer associates out to lunch.

Hank Chinaski 03-29-2018 02:00 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513988)
Skadden doesn't come off so well here. I wonder if this guy was taking summer associates out to lunch.

Until I read this I never realized that most countries are seldom call "the NAME." Russia is just Russia, Canada- Canada etc. The US of A and The USSR are exceptions. But Ukraine has always been the Ukraine ("the Ukraine is weak Newman!"), until i read this, where "
Ukraine" gav eme pause because it sounded wrong. Is there some rule or is this another random English quirk?

Hank Chinaski 03-29-2018 02:00 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513987)
If Sebby has more interest in criminal justice reform than I do, I don't say that he is "biased" towards criminal justice reform or criminal defendants, or biased against prosecutors. He might be, but that would be different.

If I am less sympathetic to Israel's current government on matters of policy than you or many Americans are, which I suspect is the case, that does not mean I am "anti-Israel", which carries more than a whiff of anti-Zionism. It may just mean that, like many Israelis, I take a different view of what is in Israel's interests than its current government does, and/or that I take a different view of what is in the United States' interests than the Israeli government does, which wouldn't be surprising inasmuch as the Israeli government was elected by Israelis to serve Israel, not by Americans to serve America. Nor do any of those views (necessarily) have anything to do with "bias" and Neville Chamberlain's anti-Semitism. Even so, some Americans find it useful to accuse people they disagree with on foreign policy of anti-Semitism, and perhaps some of them even believe it.

There are anti-Semites who are anti-Israel and disagree with Israel's government. There are jackasses who live in Michigan. None of that means that disagreement with Israel's government makes you biased against Jews, or that you are a jackass.

Since we weren't talking about any of this just now until you posted about my purported anti-Israel and philo-Chamberlain views, what you've said sounds a lot like trolling. Since you are a friend and I assume you don't want to lightly accuse me of anti-Semitism for no good reason, I will assume that wasn't what you meant and that you aren't a jackass.

I'm a nuisance sock, not a troll. Big diff.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-29-2018 02:32 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Delong:

Quote:

Good conservative ideas become liberal ideas. The only conservative ideals left are those that are not good. Some of them are not good, but because they are plutocratic the plutocrats like them, and they often pass. Some of them are not good, but because they are fascist the fascists like them, and they often pass. The others? Conservatives run from them: consider the conservative flight from RomneyCare. Why do conservatives run from them? Because once they become attractive to liberals they no longer serve as identity markers, and identity markers are primary.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-29-2018 02:34 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513989)
Until I read this I never realized that most countries are seldom call "the NAME." Russia is just Russia, Canada- Canada etc. The US of A and The USSR are exceptions. But Ukraine has always been the Ukraine ("the Ukraine is weak Newman!"), until i read this, where "
Ukraine" gav eme pause because it sounded wrong. Is there some rule or is this another random English quirk?

Things are called "the NAME" when they are not a country, but a part of another country/empire. The Ukraine, the Sudetenland, the Midlands, the Pale, the Netherlands (in the Hapsburg Empire). When they become a country, they sometimes shed the "the" in order to assert their own nationhood, as Ukraine did.

Adder 03-29-2018 02:40 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 513989)
But Ukraine has always been the Ukraine ("the Ukraine is weak Newman!")

Having had the misfortune of having had dealing with the government of Ukraine, I've had the opportunity to learn that this frowned upon by the locals.

Quote:

Is there some rule or is this another random English quirk?
Seems like there's a tie to British colonialism somehow - the Levant, the Sudan, some others I can't think of right now - but it may just be a relic of historically referencing a region that wasn't a state, or was more than one state.

ThurgreedMarshall 03-29-2018 03:50 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 513969)
[gone]

Can we replace this with the following to fix the borders?

http://www.wwltv.com/img/resize/www....bgcolor=000000

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 03-29-2018 03:53 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 513993)
Seems like there's a tie to British colonialism somehow - the Levant, the Sudan, some others I can't think of right now - but it may just be a relic of historically referencing a region that wasn't a state, or was more than one state.

It's not a function of British colonialism but it is a question of English usage. In French, for example, countries commonly have the definite article before them: l'Ukraine, la Russie, la Chine. So there's no pejorative implications to referring to l'Ukraine as there is when you refer to the Ukraine in English, which implicitly demotes it from nation-state to component of something larger.


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