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Old 11-20-2004, 07:54 PM   #4241
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Originally posted by Fugee
I don't know what to think about Bush. He talks the talk and people in the Christian community who know him say he's the real deal but I don't see a lot more than talk. I know little about Rove but get the sense he is all about winning. So I'll answer your question more broadly: I suspect there are a whole lot of "pro-life" GOP pols who are more than happy to go after the low hanging fruit like partial birth abortion to placate the religious right but would change their tune mighty quick if it looked like it would cost them an election.

If the GOP was so determined to overturn Roe, why hasn't it been done? 7 of the current justices were appointed by GOP presidents: 3 by Reagan and 2 by Bush I. Do you really think the people in charge of making the short lists for RR and GHWB were fooled by them?

I don't know whether or not there would be a mass outcry across the country if Roe were overturned and Red States starting banning abortion. I do suspect there are people living in Red States who want to keep it legal there and some of them might even vote GOP.
I don't think anyone was fooled by Supreme Court nominees. Rather, I think it was clear who the majority was in Congress during Reagan and Bush I, and appointing that 5th anti-Roe Justice was a battle they couldn't win. So they took the high ground, cept with Souter who in retrospect I don't think anyone would appoint again.

As for those GOPers in the red states who want to keep it legal, some of them might get their wish. Some of them might not. Overall, more people will get what they want for their communities. Last I read from some pro-Choice group, 30+ states are in danger of having abortion all but completely outlawed, and its basically the same 30+ states that banned it before Roe.

And sure, its not worth doing if it will cost someone an election. So taking the low-hanging fruit seems like a pretty rational process so far. The whole point of an election is to have the popular will expressed (within the confines of what is actually in the Constitution). Roe defeated the entire process, which is why its a complete abomination to anyone who truly believes in a Democracy instead of minority-rule by Judicial fiat.

Open up what is subject to election though (by defeating Roe), and a lot more of that fruit is going to be low hanging in a lot more states.

In any case, all the things you might worry about with unwanted babies are things I worry about too. The thing is, all of the Judicial-fiat solutions imposed over the last 50 years to fix our society have turned out to be unproductive impositions. From desegration bussing to Roe, judges have completely failed to foresee the negative consequences of their arbitrary solutions, and it hasn't helped solve problems in this country.

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