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Further, when you say there's an "appropriate line" for women in the workplace, you imply that there are different appropriate lines for women and men. We both know that there aren't. The line is between aggressive and abusive. The difference is that women are often perceived as having crossed that line earlier than men are -- by both men and women. As a result, they have to be more careful about it because they won't get the same results men would get.
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My original statement was "If only Jen had been competent enough in social interaction to see how abrasive she was and how she fucked herself by attacking people when she could have just refuted their points. That was what killed her, I think. Wherever the line for appropriate behaviour and cadence for women in business falls, she fell on the "bitch" side of it. If she were a guy and that abrasive, people would still dislike her."
I'm not endorsing the fact that there are different behaviour standards for men and women; I'm just pointing it out. I think that her gender was irrelevant* in the way that things worked out for her; she definitely crossed the line into abrasive and she would have done so had she acted that way and were a man. Do I think it sucks that the lines are in different places for men and women? Yeah, I do. But she wasn't close to the line; she was way past it. I liked her and I hoped that she would win, mostly because she seemed intelligent and hard-working and I think that she deserved it. And because I think she was treated kind of harshly with all the "you're just a lawyer; you don't know anything about business; you're just a service provider" comments.
We could certainly have an interesting and spirited discussion about which behaviours are appropriate and inappropriate for men and women, and whether consider a person's gender in determining the appropriateness of behaviour is desirable. I didn't think it was relevant because I thought her attitude was beyond the pale, even though I think that she still should have won.
But there's no colorable argument you can make that I am saying that I think that male and female behaviours should be treated and evaluated differently. I think that they _are_, in practice, treated and evaluated differently, but I don't think that mattered here. She was in the wrong under any reasonable person's view, regardless of gender. Trump weighted that heavily, and it was part of what killed her. Maybe that was because Trump can take abrasive and aggressive from a man but not a woman, I don't know. But don't try to turn this into what I feel about women.
* It didn't impact anything. Or pound anything.
