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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Good question, Hank. Wow -- it's like you've actually educated yourself on this stuff, and learned more than Clarke. If Clarke had just had you around in early 2001 to bounce ideas off you, I'm sure the country would have been better off.
It's stuff like this that shows you can't be bothered to learn or remember what happened. Which puzzles me, because I think this stuff is fascinating -- I read these books because it's important and current stuff, not because I'm planning to come here and post about how you don't get it. That's just a fortunate collateral benefit, like you and your bachelor's degree in science.
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Ummm, dickhead- if you think something is an important fact you need to explain why its important.
Like remember when i took on "the I understand and fully appreciate evolution" crowd- then pretty soon by bringing up facts i got some of them to show they were just accepting it on faith. That is how one uses facts, and then inferences to win an argument.
You have bothered to read the book- good for you! You say the book shows that Clinton did more than Bush, and I ask what? - you say "Clarke decided on 1/25/01 to start up Predator filghts and they wouldn't let him!" Beyond the obvious question of whether the flights might have helped a year or two earlier is a more basic question. Al Queda is a mobile group. We weren't in Afghanistan and had not made any decision to go in. The question "Drone flights are valuable because?" seems a legit question, especially because it is the basic support for your argument that Bush didn't do anything. We'd get pictures, okay but what would we do with them?
But more to the point, in the Government policies once started stay in place until stopped. So if clinton had great things grinding away and Bush didn't stop them (listen now dimwit)- THEY WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN GOING ON. AND IF BUSH HAD STOPPED THEM THERE WOULD BE PAPER TO SHOW IT.
It sounds like the big change was people didn't sit and listen to Clarke talk about things he wanted to do but had never been allowed to do- is your point Clinton listened before deciding to ignore him? That you try and support otherwise and can only talk about drone flights actually shows maybe I'm right, right?
Of course more should have been done- but drone photos from an Afghan desert 3/01 wouldn't have done much to stop 9/11. Worrying about Al Queda wouldn't have stopped 9/11. doing some things might have- but most of those things would have needed to be done in 97 or 98.
