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Old 03-14-2005, 03:24 PM   #176
Tyrone Slothrop
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Wow

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Well you seem to suggest that unless we can draw a straight, uninterrupted line between the events in Iraq and the events in Lebanon/Syria, it is laughable to suggest that one had any effect on the other.

And IMO, it is not just limited to the events in Iraq. It's also the President's general themes of freedom and democracy which he has repeated over and over again, and the events in Ukraine, Afganistan, Israel/Pali, Egypt (though I recognize these are very modest), and other places.
I've already suggested that I think our invasion of Iraq has had an effect on Lebanon. It's just not the effect that you seem to be advocating. And it's not the January election there, it's our willingness to use force to remove a leader we don't like and the presence of our troops on Syria's eastern border.

I think it takes a naif to think that sporadic happy talk from Bush about the importance of freedom and democracy has had much of anything to do with developments in Afghanistan, Ukraine, or Israel & Palestine. Egypt I'll grant you, but I'm not convinced that it means anything -- I think Mubarak is betting that he can make a couple cosmetic changes and our attention will move on to something else. We'll see. An election in which the largest opposition party is not permitted to run is not much of an election.

Oh, and you forgot Bolivia.
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