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Old 03-30-2005, 01:16 PM   #1642
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Ty- now is it a scandal?

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Originally posted by sgtclub
But you are missing my point. Our civil rights and basic human dignities at home are neither guaranteed nor written in stone. It is up to us to defend them.

I started off this discussion saying that I was torn on the issue because the stakes in war are so high that a win at all costs attitude may be necessary. Let me throw this back at you. Would it be better for us to not torture, even if that meant losing the fight and, in turn, our civil rights and basic human dignities?
Are you at all concerned here with your/our soul?

I am glad you use the term "we" and "us" throughout your posts, because (I believe) it means you agree with me that whatever is done is being done not by a few individuals whom we can wash our hands of, but by "us", whether directly or indirectly.

I believe there are acts done under stress and in crises that can be and should be forgiven, but cannot imagine us as a country deciding that torture is what or who we are. If we torture to protect "civil rights" or "human dignity", we are simply choosing to destroy those things ourselves rather than let others destroy them.
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