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Old 04-20-2005, 04:13 PM   #3160
Sidd Finch
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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
First off, I'm not a "he". Though nobody on here has (yet) to visit the Pooty Store to confirm same, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Now that THAT'S out of the way, I repeat that things weren't so simple that failing to join the Youth or sign up for the military resulted in a high chance of being thrown in a camp. The family might have been ostracized or penalized monetarily. And most Germans did diddly squat even AFTER the "risk of the camps" (as you put it) was no longer a credible risk. I'd love to know what the Ratzingers did following the liberation of the camps. Most of those in camps couldn't even get a cup of water from the Germans as they wandered around as dirty skeletons. After witnessing the atrocity of a genocide in his home country, what did he do to help his fellow countrymen? Don't hear too much about THAT.
I don't know if you're female but you certainly are a twat. I was agreeing with your point, and your response is to do a Hank imitation.

And I did not suggest that there was a "high" risk of being thrown in the camps, or any level of risk at all -- I simply posited the (possibly hypothetical) choice that you were discussing with Slave.

However, from my own family's experience, I can say with some confidence that there were very significant risks to young men who refused to work with the Nazis. After the Nazis occupied Italy, my great-uncle and uncle spent much of the war hiding in a tunnel. Uncle was hiding because he was deaf and a physical handicap likely meant certain death, even for an adolescent as he was. Great-uncle was hiding because he was an able-bodied man who faced options of being dragged off to a recruiting center or just shot, depending on the mood of the officer who found them. My mother and aunts -- just kids at the time -- would stand look-out watching for German soldiers coming to inspect the house. Sometimes those soldiers crept up through the bushes, where my mom would see them while standing lookout from a balcony.

In other words, they didn't feel that the risk was all that low. Perhaps your personal experience is different, but FWIW I give you the story.
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