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Old 07-04-2005, 07:13 PM   #2289
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Originally posted by Spanky
Little Reality Check for my Fellow Republicans:

1) I hope that anyone that has John Ashcroft on their list for Supreme Court nominees is joking. That man is one scary person. Do I even have to go there? I am very pro-police, don't belive in the exclusionary rule and would overturn the rule against self incrimination, but that man is beyond the pale.
Dude, he was #17 on my list. He would be a "fuck you" nomination because he couldn't get confirmed, but it is an interesting proposition. For me, because I don't trust an Ashcroftless government anymore than I trust a government with Ashcroft involved, I am anti-police (meaning I don't trust the police just because they wear a badge. Generally speaking, they undereducated for the authority they are given and not the brightest bulbs on the planet to start with, thus arming them and giving them a license to shake down the public is a scary proposition on its face), except where necessary and am pro-exclusionary rule.

In conclusion, if Bush puts up an honest pick who should be confirmed, let's say Luttig, and he gets shot down, I think Bush, as his second pick should throw up a big "fuck you", Ashcroft or Starr or Bork (the latter two probably would not allow themselves to be used like that, the former might) and after that pick gets shot down, Orrin Hatch could be the unifying choice.

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2) Although arms can be very useful in helping one protects ones family and property, the whole idea that the second amendment is there to protect our other liberty from the government is a little absurd. Washington showed how useful the second Amendment was against the government during the Whiskey Rebellion. And that was when someone could arm theselves as well as the government. Did you see what our military did to the Iraqi army? And I am sorry my friend, but the Iraqi army is a hell of lot better armed than you could ever hope to be. When the FBI comes to tramp on your civil liberties, because an Aschcroft Supreme Court said it was OK, every single person posting on this board is going to surrender to the FBI. No middle class pampered legal scholar on this board is going to lock and load, everyone on this board is going to reach for the sky and beg for their lives. I had a gun placed in my had when I was four, and won shooting competitions when I was a kid and I wouldn't even think of taking on the FBI, let along the 101st Airborne Division. Our only hope against tyranny is that the police and the army don't follow the tyrants orders, and pretending otherwise is just hot air. If someone on this board has actually participated in modern combat I will take their talk of using their gun to protect their liberties against a tyrannical government a little more seriously, otherwise shut the hell up.
Generally speaking, like say hello, I doubt that I would be in a position where I would be taking on the FBI or the 10st Airborne, but nothing in your post makes me trust or respect the local police anymore than I do, and my post is indicative of that lack of trust and respect. I do respect the rule of law, I just think that we tend to empower and authorize too many morons to enforce it. That is not saying all cops are bad people or are idiots, but too many are for the authority that they are given.

At the end of the day, the message of my post is that I respect my property rights and certain other rights more than I respect a corrupt officials right to tyrannically infringe upon them. Take that for what you will.
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