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Originally posted by baltassoc
I do not think this means what you think it means.*
I can't think of a single communist country that did turn into a dictatorship of the proletariate
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Actually they were all in the phase of the dictatorship of the proletariate, they just never got out of that phase and into communism. As I undestand it, the dictatorship of the proletariate was actually an elite group that would "represent" the proletariate (also known as the vanguard of the proletariate) and change the state so it could become a communist state.
The elite group representing the proletariates interest took over in all these countrys. They just were never successful in implementing communism.
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Originally posted by baltassoc Yes. And each believed that the society in the Soviet Union (and later, in other communist states) had not yet evolved and developed to a point where the proletariate could actually take over.
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I think you have this wrong. It is not a literal term. Obviously not every worker could be a dictator. You needed an educated group that represented the interests of the proletariate. So we got the dictatorship of the proletariate, but never moved beyond it.
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Originally posted by baltassoc Sure, there was a violent overthrow of the former (corrupt) government of Russia.
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Why do people always throw in corrupt when they talk about communist takeover of a democratically elected government. LIke that somehow justifies it. All governments are corrupt to some degree. But corruption in a democracy does not justify the implementatino of a totalitarian state.
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Originally posted by baltassoc People died. But I don't think there was widespread knowledge in the US in the 20s and 30s of the Stalin purges killing millions, if only because they hadn't completely happened yet.
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I don't think people knew about the purges but they were well aware that the Boshevicks took over by force. John Reeds book detailed the whole thing and it was a bestseller at the time. In his book he justifies the Bolshevik coup of a democratically elected government. Like all communists John Reed thought that even though the Karensky government was popularly elected, it did not really represent the will of the people. Lenin, although not elected by the people, really was what was best for the people. In other words the communists knew what was better for the people than the people did.
