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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
The Kurds and Shiites will get along as long as it is in their interests to do so. We need a longer view if Iraq is to succeed. For instance, what will be the effect of the Kurdish desire for an independent Kurdistan? That is far more important to them than to be part of Iraq, and I think everyone here knows that makes the Turks nervous. What will be the US position on an independent Kurdistan? Don't tell me the Turks will behave because they want into the EU; while that is true, the rest of the EU is growing increasingly disenchanted with the idea of Turkey in the EU and is likely to insist on a second-class status for Turkey. If Turkey agrees, will they have enough of a stake in EU membership to toe the line, especially in light of the increasing influence within Turkey of non-secular elements?
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YOu are getting sidetracked. So far we have no reason to believe that the Shiites and the Kurds won't be able to cooperate in a federal state.
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda What will be the effect of Iran on the Shiites of Iraq? I don't have any read on that at all, but my gut says it won't be good for us. Between Iraq and a sympathetic Iran, what will be the amount of oil reserves controlled by those two? Will the Shiites of Iraq turn their backs on Iran to maintain the union with the Sunnis and Kurds imposed by a whim of the British after WWI ? Will the Kurds do the same to their brothers in Turkey?
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Whatever happens the Iraq people will be better off than they were under Saddam. Who knows what will happen but a Democratic government will be a positive step. If that democratic government splits up and we have a shiite arab democracy that cozy up to a Iran. That sucks, but it is still better.
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda I think they want to survive. You have way more faith in the restraint of the Shiites and the Kurds than I do. Paybacks are a bitch, and nowhere more so than that little corner of the world.
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Democracy sometimes ain't pretty. But it is better than the alternatives.
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Whine, whine, whine. bush broke Iraq, now we have to fix it. Let's stop feeling sorry for ourselves and start putting a plan together. A real plan, not this "Plan for Victory" gelatinous vomit that is code for "we don't have a fucking clue what to do next".
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I am not whining, I am just stating facts. It would be irresponsible for us to turn Iraq over to other countrys because everyone else wants us to fail. Bush fixed Iraq. He got rid of Saddam. Now he is just improving it by making it a democracy.
It doesn't matter if you have confidence in him or not. Bush is going to do what he is going to do and there is nothing anyone can do about. All debate, in no matter what forum, is just hot air.
