Quote:
Originally posted by Captain
First, the idea that we shouldn't debate it because Bush is going to do what Bush is going to do is simply silly. We are Americans. We debate. And, sometimes for good, sometimes for ill, leaders listen to shifting winds in public opinion that come from debates.
Admit it, you didn't really mean that.
Secondly, I think you prescribe a "stay the same course", which means continuing to do it all ourselves with only token assistance and continuing to assume that if we do the same things but with increasing aid from Iraqis trained by us, the insurgency will ultimately die. The best historical precedents I can think of here are Latin American countries like Peru and El Salvador, but note that El Salvador's insurrection whithered after we essentially withdrew. So, it is possible, but, I think, unlikely. You also assume the Kurds and Shiites will continue to get along, but I think the only thing that unifies them is beating up on the Sunnies.
Most importantly, staying the same course means getting entangled in the Iraqi government as it develops, which strikes me as likely tangling us up in a Civil War. If we stay the same course, I fear we will turn around one day and be in still deeper, and Iraq will be a ball and chain around our country's ankle for a protracted period.
|
Open debate where the leader of a party and US Senators are saying we are fucked in a miltary action- Please find me a cite of when this has happened before. No one is saying it is illegal- it is horribly irresponsible. Again, one cite where this happened in WW II Korea, or even, I bet Vietnam.
Quote:
|
So, if Bush has to eat crow with the UN or has to negotiate hard to involve Egypt or the like involved, I think he should do it.
|
You've got to be fucking kidding here. The UN? Quick question- the 3 countries that vetoed any Iraq action- which one had its Islamic immigrants go on a 3 week riot and which one just sold 1 Billion dollars worth of rocket technology to Iran. you think the vetoes were for what's best for the world? France is fucking afrain and Russia is broke. Oh, and how many general assembly resolution were passed this week like 160-10 condeming Israel. The UN?
