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		| Originally posted by SlaveNoMore It bothers me deeply that Abu Ghraib always gets trotted out to try to smear the entire military.
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 That would bother me, too, if I ever saw it.
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		| Abu Ghraib was an example of a lousy platoon with even poorer leadership.  Besides all other things, it was an on-going sex party.  Oh, and we punished those involved, didn't we? | 
	
 Some.  But it's very clear that responsibility for that one lies somewhere north of the platoon-level, albeit not with the entire military.  For one, there were decisions made by political appointees and civilians at DoD material to what happened. 
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		| So Ty, the bomb is ticking.  Assam knows how to stop it.  He's sitting there.  What's it gonna be, Ty.  Yes...or...no. 
 You don't have time to sleep on it.
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 The fact that people like you want to talk about this hypothetical instead of the way the instinct behind it gets twisted to justify all sorts of things -- and the fact that you are unwilling to call torture "torture" or to say that it's wrong -- is somewhere north of disturbing and south of sick.
In ten or twenty years, if we're lucky, this torture episode will be seen as one of the truly dark moments in the nation's legal history, like Dred Scott and Korematsu. 
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		| This assumes Suskind's sources are telling the truth.  Then again, I thought Cheny and Rumsfeld gave all the orders around the White House and Dumya just goes on vacation? | 
	
 Heh.  Good one.
What are you denying here?  That anyone has been waterboarded?  Or that Bush knew about it?