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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal.
Not American citizens. All men. You don't have rights because your country gave them to you.
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I agree. But this document does not require the US government to respect these rights. It just says that we can rebel against the British government because it doesn't respect our rights.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Moreover, your notion that the executive has always had "unchecked power when it comes to foreign policy or military matters" -- while consistent with GOP talking points of the last five years -- has never been the accepted view of the Constitution.
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This power can be checked by Congress, but when can it be checked by the courts?
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We have a government of checks and balances. That, too, is one of the most fundamental aspects of our government. We do not trust government, and we give it limited powers, not unchecked authority.
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You keep stating the obvious like it has some relevent to this conversatoin. We have a government of checks and balances to help protect our liberty and rights. To to protect that rights and liberties of Pakistanis, Afghans that wage war on the United States.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm not suggesting that denying foreigners habeas corpus will mean that the rest of us will be living in a totalitarian regime. I'm saying that if you don't think that foreigners deserve basic human rights, then you don't have much business trying to export your view of democracy to the rest of the world, for it is a hollow one.
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I can flip that around. If you think it is so important that the US give foreigners rights, then why don't you think it is important for the US to insure other government respect these rights? If these rights are so important why wasn't it important to spread it in Iraq?
Shouldn't your problem with the Bush administration be that it has not invaded enought countries. Shouldn't you support it every time our military takes out another totalitarian regine.
