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		| Originally posted by Hank Chinaski let's hold judgement until we hear if SS is Omniscient or if he's just mouthing other people's opinons.
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 Hank -- I'll give you your third thread title:
"The bottom line is that nobody here, on either side, knows what the fuck they are talking about . . ."
from personal experience when it comes to the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of torture.  So drop it.
I suppose you need to make a determination of potential effectiveness to decide whether it makes common sense to do it (i.e. know the possible benefits).  The morality of it is another issue, for which such a determination isn't necessarily required.
If we're going to be "the shining city on a Hill", we can't have folks cover their ears to avoid hearing the screams coming from the basement.
S_A_M