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Originally posted by Spanky
You say that they stopped producing plutonium because of the Clinton deal - how do you know that?
On Oct. 17, 2002 the New York Times reported on the front page "Confronted by new American intelligence, North Korea has admitted that it has been conducting a major clandestine nuclear weapons development program for the past several years."
In other words, during the end of the Clinton administration they were producing nuclear weapons even though Clinton was bribing them.
Bush made them start producing the bomb? Are you kidding? They were producing one long before he got into office. That is if you assume they ever stopped. We know they were developing weapons in the beginning of the Clinton administration, and at the end, on the only reason we believe they stopped in the middle is because they never admitted that they were.
Your statement is also absurd because it assumes they didn't really want to build a bomb, but when Bush started Saber rattling they decided they needed one? They have one of the largest armies in the world because of their fear of being invaded and yet they only decided they needed a nuclear bomb to scare of the west when Bush made some comments? And I suppose you believe in the tooth fairy.
This idiot has always wanted a bomb. Of course he wants a bomb. Why wouldn't he? He has been trying to build a bomb for years, and we just gave him a bunch of stuff to bribe him from not building a bomb yet he built one anyway. Only an idiot would be surprised by that.
Why is it the Democrats are always saying that these totalitarian regimes only get belligerent because we provoke them? If Bush had not said mean things about the North Koreans they wouldn't have built a bomb, if we were nice to the Iranians they wouldn't build a bomb, if we had just been nice to Castro he wouldn't have turn to the communists, if we had been nice to the Chinese they wouldn't gotten involved in Korea, if we had just been nice to the Russians they wouldn't have felt the need to take over Eastern Europe. Be nice to Hitler and he will stop with the Sudetenland.
When will you idiots realize that these guys don't need any provocation? Nasty words on our part let them know we are on to them. Being nice to them just makes them think they are getting away with something. How many times do we have to learn that lesson?
Appeasement never works with totalitarian dictators. I will say it again.
Appeasement never works with totalitarian dictators. Being nice to them just makes them think we are weak and they can take advantage of us.
Trying to Bribe the North Koreans was one of the dumbest foreign policy moves of this century.
I approved of most of Clintons foreign policy moves. But on this one he fell into the old trap of thinking you could appease this guy. He was wrong.
(sorry Hank, I tried to go Cold Turkey but I just couldn't help myself. :shrug: )
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I like that you are no longer saying that you know any of the facts -- like how North Korea used the reactors Clinton built for them to make nuclear weapons -- and instead are just asking me how I know. If you do the sort of web research that you did to find the CRS report, you will learn that North Korea was processing uranium during the Clinton Administration, but not plutonium. When Bush pulled the U.S. out of (what was left of) the deal, North Korea started in with the plutonium again, and fairly quickly had enough to build a bomb.
Clinton did not "appease" the North Koreans in the sense that anyone thought they would become good people. But he essentially bribed them with fuel oil and food aid to stop enriching plutonium for a while. Far from a perfect solution, but better than anything Bush did.
