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Originally posted by baltassoc
No offense, but you would suck as a teacher. Thankfully, you aren't a teacher. For both these reasons, what you want isn't particularly relevant to this debate.
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No offense, but you are an idiot that makes assumptions in total ignorance of the subject you are talking about. Why is it that the most ignorant are always the most sure of themselves? Have you ever worked as a teacher? I did work as a teacher and what makes you think you have any idea of how good of a teacher I was?
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Originally posted by baltassoc OTOH, I know a lot of excellent career teachers who chose teaching precisely because of the job security
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This is possible but I am pretty sure you are full of it. First, how do you know that they are good teachers? And they all have told you they are teachers because of the job security? I don't buy it. I have three former teachers that work for me right now. They still socialize with all the teachers they work with. I discuss teaching issues with them all the time and none have told me they stay because of job security. And they all talk about bad teachers they all know who won't ever leave because of job security.
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Originally posted by baltassoc Telling them "Congratulations, you're a great teacher, so as a reward we're going to put you in a class of hard cases - but don't worry, we'll pay you more, at least until next year when the Republicans cut our funding" would cause them to quit.Immediately. I'm not making this up. I know a teacher who did exactly that (more precisely, retired early) when confronted with exactly that scenario when a new principal came into my high school. Since she was in my estimation the best teacher in the school, that was a pretty crappy result. Thankfully for me, I had just graduated.
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You don't force teachers into the bad class rooms. You give them the option with higher pay. And just because this one teacher quit doesn't mean others will. You can't take an example of one teacher and extrapolate it to the entire profession.
You offer teachers more money and they will take it. Specially a young aggressive idealistic one. I have known many teachers and not one has told me that they stay because of job security. They do it because of the schedule and they love teaching. But they all would like higher pay.
It is the incompetant ones that stay for job security. They don't like the profession, but probably wouldn't be good at anything else (unlike the good teachers) so they stay because unlike other places, their incompetance is tolerated. The California school system is riddled with bad teachers and bad principles (the whole dance of the lemons scenario) and it is all because of this stupid tenure system.
