Quote:
	
	
		| Originally posted by Spanky I am just assuming.  But of course I can't know for sure until I have seen test results.
 | 
	
 I don't think this is true.  I think you 
know they were good teachers, and you know that because of your interaction with them.  You don't need the test results to tell you that.
	Quote:
	
	
		| ... Well I agree with you that tenure is a relative term.  But I don't know if popular teachers are a good sign of good teachers.  Maybe peer review.  But I still think test scores are the way to go.
 | 
	
 I was unclear.  I meant peer and administrative review, not student review.
I think that evaluating a teacher takes more than just a test.  And there is more to be taught than reading and math (or any other discrete subject).  A precurser to that is often teaching people how to learn.  And teaching people to love learning.
None of which changes the travesty that a full 50% of the students in America are below average.