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					Originally Posted by Shape Shifter  The Beatles themselves often referred to Martin as the 5th Beatle.  At any rate, all of the Beatles except for Ringo had significant solo careers without Martin.  The Allman Brothers?  Surely you understand the difference between producing someone like Michael Jackson and a jam band.  They made their name as a live act.  Where was their producer then?  Your inclusion of Dr. Dre merely reinforces my point, and the Beasties achieved commercial and critical success with different producers.
 A lot of what goes into a Michael Jackson song is not Michael Jackson.  Someone needs to arrange the music -- decide which instruments should be used where, how loud, what sound, etc.  And the  person who decided that on the albums that made Michael Jackson the pop icon he is was Quincy Jones.
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 Or, the music industry improperly rewards contributors who did not dominate the creation of their artistic products, if you will.