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					Originally Posted by Sidd Finch  I'm not sure it's defensive.  You posted something saying, in essence, "I don't know shit, but you're all fooling yourselves." | 
	
 Only if you think benefiting from a placebo effect is "fooling yourselves."  
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		| The state of mind with which I approached it really goes against the placebo effect | 
	
 Honestly, I do not know if a pre-existing belief in effecicacy is required for a placebo effect. 
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		| as does the long, long, long history of this kind of treatment. | 
	
 See, that's where you lose me.  Lots of beliefs survive for a long time, and survival may say more of the lack of anything better.