I love when a post starts like this:
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Originally posted by mmm3587
I agree, and I have no problem (moral or otherwise, and of course, this is a personal decision women make, so who am I to say anything, I'm just sharing my opinion) with women wanting to look better, or getting a quick fix, or anything like that.
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And ends like this:
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Originally posted by mmm3587
If you disagree with my assertions about the reasons women are getting them, that's fine. Say so. But it's silly to characterize breast implants as good just because women could do them for a "good" reason. You can also be a stripper for a "good reason." It's just not usually the case.
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You are projecting. I didn't say every time someone gets breast implants it's a good thing. I was arguing your point that linked everyone who gets breast augmentation to strippers and prostitutes. I said that's not always the case, not "augmentation is always a good thing, dumbass. But, let's move on.
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Originally posted by mmm3587
They view a physical change as something that is going to change the way they feel about themselves. And I don't think that's healthy. If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run. Even if you keep doing all these crazy things to your body to make yourself look better.
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And here's where we disagree.
I think you watch too many MTV documentaries. Not everyone who gets a breast job is obsessed with their bodies. Not everyone who gets a breast job goes straight up to 40DDD. Many women change the shape of their breasts or get a small increase to give them more curves. Feeling better about yourself often comes from a change in your physical appearance. For you to argue otherwise means you either have a perfect build or are some delusional fattie who is perfectly comfortable with those three sausages sitting on the back of your neck.
Not liking a part of your body does not always equate to disliking yourself. If you have a fucked up nose and you change it, it doesn't mean that you are filled with self hate. Sometimes it may. Most times I'm betting it doesn't.
Your problem is that you speak in extremes. "If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run." If you're speaking to the problem of insecurity and self hate, then the people who have plastic surgery to try to fix that are never going to be happy. No argument there. But it does not follow that someone who has plastic surgery necessarily has these problems.
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Originally posted by mmm3587
And, compared to the strippers that I have known (never known any prostitutes), women who have had breast implants seem to share the same sort of feelings about themselves. They view their bodies and their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way. There's a difference between a man thinking "Wow, she has really sexy breasts" whether they're real or not, than a man thinking "Wow, her breasts are the first thing I notice, the only thing I think about, and the reason I want to get to know her."
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And here's your real problem. You're talking to the wrong people. Strippers don't represent the general population as far as mental health goes. The insecurity problems they have are surely more pronounced. Not only that, but I think you will find that the "viewing their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way," attitude among strippers is somewhat (okay, very) related to their profession. So if you want to revise your post so that you're talking about the image problems of strippers with implants, I'll probably agree with most of what you say. Unfortunately, you can't make this big a shift in the middle of an argument without a few people catching it.
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