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Originally Posted by Adder
Nope, but you're doing a good job of arguing. The call was correct according to the way college basketball is officiated. I started down the rule book rabbit hole to demonstrate that the practice matches the rule, but that thing is a total mess.
And yeah, if the offensive player throws an elbow or pushes off exceptionally blatantly (but not hooks, that never gets called), then the offensive player can sometimes get a whistle while a defender is moving. But a guy going up to shoot is not going to get called for contacting a defender who is going up for a block. Doesn't happen. Isn't how the college rules work in practice.
I'm getting the strong sense that you think the college rules should be more like the NBA rules. Maybe so, but that doesn't change the fact that this play was not an offensive foul in college ball.
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Everything you just wrote is a joke. You have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you tried to go look up the rule to back up your argument ("See? Look at clause (ii) of subsection (b) of rule 136!") tells me you're a lawyer who doesn't really understand the issue, but thinks he can teach himself enough to win an argument.
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Originally Posted by Adder
Nope. If the defender is stationary and vertical, it's generally a no-call. If the defender is not, it's going to be on the defender absent an thrown elbow or a blatant push off. This was neither.
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Everything you just wrote is a joke. You have no idea what you're talking about.
If we were talking about contact, you'd have a point. Winslow led with his elbow. Purposefully. Once again, I would love to show you how this works. I've done it to asshole players. And I've had it done to me. If the ref knows what he's doing, they make the proper call.
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Originally Posted by Adder
Again, I have the same type of frustration about the way Wisconsin plays the game - packing the lane, slowing the pace, a lot of cheap contact of the type that doesn't get called - it's frustrating and boring and makes things less fun to watch.
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66% of what you just wrote is a joke. You have very little idea what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by Adder
But it's also smart, helps them win and within the rules until there's a consensus to change them. Same with flopping. It's annoying, but how can you be outraged or say it's unfair? The other guys can copy them if they want.
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Look, Adder, I think you like basketball. I don't think you've ever played it in any significant way. I'm not going to say you can't have an opinion on it. I've met lots of people who truly understand the game without having played beyond pick up. You don't understand the game. And it shows.
"They can copy them!" This is so fucking stupid that it's hard to respond to. Yes. Everyone in the NCAA can fall over on every other possession and hope the ref has been fooled into calling a bullshit foul. That's not basketball. That's the entire point. In football, defensive lineman can pretend like they're being held on every play and move the other team back 10 yards on each blown call. In soccer, if you get breathed on in the box, you can act like you've been shot in hopes of being rewarded with a bullshit penalty kick. None of that is about
playing the sport. It's not gamesmanship. It's about fooling the ref into making a mistake. It's all bullshit. The fact that you think it's smart tells me all I need to know.
Most of your complaints about Wisconsin above are ridiculous. They pack the lane? They slow the pace? So fucking what? Other than the fact that you don't like to watch that style of basketball, you've said absolutely nothing.
I've watched them a few times and I honestly don't know what you mean by "they create cheap contact that doesn't get called." Are you saying they body people? They're more physical than other teams? They get away with fouls that should be called
because they're more physical? I've played against physical players. It's annoying and sometimes frustrating. But the contact isn't necessarily illegal. If you said something that made sense like, "they foul so often that they get away with more than their fair share of fouls because no ref is going to foul out every player on the team," I might listen. Hell, my beloved and deeply flawed 90s Knicks lived on that style. But I don't think you're saying that.
I honestly don't think you understand the game well enough for me to respect your criticism. Based on the fact that you are comparing Wisconsin's style of physical play to Duke's style of pretending to be fouled in order to fool a ref as strategy, you don't really deserve that respect.
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