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Old 02-12-2016, 05:08 PM   #3519
Not Bob
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Mother should I run for president.

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick View Post
I am crossing my fingers to see Bernie win the popular vote and Hillary pull it out at the convention on Superdelegates. After NH, combined with what appears to be some voter fraud in Iowa (but I thought that never happens!), it appears the Democrats are having difficulty with the actual democracy aspect of the primaries.
You know I love you like a niece who made the inexplicable decision to go to Podunville State instead of Podunkville University - I'm always glad to see you, even if your RW politics just make me shake my head.

Anyhoo, I could be wrong, but I don't think Bernie wins the "popular vote" (in quotes because the caucus rules are just so fucked up) in the run up to the convention. And if he does, he will get the nomination.

Why? The Democratic Party's delegate selection rules were seriously reformed after the 1968 disaster of a convention (by the McGovern Commission, interestingly, and which new rules enabled George to get the nomination despite the opposition of the Democratic Establishment) (back when there was such a thing - George Meany of the AFL-CIO, the UAW, the remaining New Deal machers like Tommy "the Cork" Corcoran, the bosses like Daley and the O'Connells et al.) and it's hard (though I suppose Not Impossible) to win the "vote" and not get the delegates under those rules. No more winner take all primaries (which I think the GOP kept for a while), for example.

And I think that the idea that the pledged super delegates she currently has will stay with her if Gospoden Sanders rolls up the numbers on the regular delegates is questionable. By the end in 2008, the super delegates didn't stick to Hilary.

Anyway, I also think that the Hilary/Bernie contest is ultimately a good thing for the party. I don't agree with either one of them on everything, but they are engaged in a substantive discussion about what happens next for the party, and how it wants to try to implement those goals. One may not like the policies that the two are kicking around, but I think that they way they are treating each other is (for the most part) on the merits and with honesty and respectful disagreement. Reagan Bush in 1980 was somewhat similar, as was Bush Dole in 1988. Maybe even (until South Carolina) W vs. McCain in 2000 had that. I don't think the GOP has had that since.

Carry on.

ETA: Jesus, I overuse parentheticals. Hope you can read this.
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