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Old 08-17-2016, 01:05 PM   #1102
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Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Wow is this condescending. Must one leave any group that has objectionable people in it?
Read that first link I cited in response to you above. The "do as I say, you troglodyte" attitude is a huge cause of elitist hatred.

You can't talk down to or ignore a person without creating deep responsive hatred. We've done that to roughly half the country. And we're only making it worse calling them all bigots and racists.

Yes, Gallup showed a lot of Trump voters aren't voting solely because they're economically screwed. But other polls have shown a different picture. And even if we accept Gallup's recent poll as more than "noise" - as some breakthrough poll that finally shows us the "real" Trump voter... Still, it is not a basis to discard these people exclusively as racists and xenophobes. It simply states that these people do not live in areas with a lot of different races and ethnicities. To jump to exclusively "racist" and "xenophobe" is lazy and reckless.

Seriously, read that piece. It predicted exactly what's happening... What occurs when those of us who know better tell half the country to fuck off, or ignore them. The less enlightened tend to still live in "honor culture." Their essential currency, more than actual currency, is respect. And they aren't going to simply accept us derisively telling them how to think and live any more than the honor cultures of fundamentalist Islam abroad have done.

They demand respect, and a seat at the table. We're making it a zero sum game. This is understandable, of course, as a lot of what they believe is regressive and unscientific, and we feel they need to be forced to think differently. But they won't, and they aren't going away any time soon, and we need to find a more effective way to deal with them than broad brush name-calling.
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