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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bernie was more important than Trump. He turned the left wing of the Democratic party against Hillary.
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Nonsense. He didn't turn anyone against Hillary. She was the establishment Democratic candidate, just like she was in 2008. He was the candidate of the party's left, 2016's version of Jesse Jackson (the '88 version), or Bill Bradley, or Howard Dean. For Christ's sake, she spent eight years living in the White House, she was a Senator from New York, and she was the Secretary of State. I'm not sure it's possible to be any more establishment.
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To the extent his message was not unlike Trump's in many regards, he handed a bunch of her votes to Trump.
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TM has an excellent point about the sexism, but I doubt he changed anyone's mind who was going to be in her camp.
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I can't recall why the Trump/Bernie debate never happened, but that would have been a disaster for Trump. Where he could slap Hillary around as a cipher, he'd have faced a much more direct and aggressive Sanders who'd have talked over him as much as he'd talk over Bernie.
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Right -- because Trump's unexposed weakness was people debating him.
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People on both sides wanted a fighter. There were two of those in the game: Bernie and Trump. Trump did everything he could to lose. But his lucky break was having Bernie kneecap Hillary so badly he still squeaked into the winner's circle.
No Bernie, no Trump Presidency.
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How do you think that Sanders crippled Clinton, but that Clinton did not cripple Obama in 2008?
