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Old 07-06-2017, 04:01 PM   #976
ThurgreedMarshall
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Re: Bernie 2020

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
The argument I'm hearing is: If Bernie hadn't attacked Hillary as a tool of Wall Street, Trump wouldn't have been able to do it as successfully, and Hillary would have won.
I think you're mishearing. Bernie attacked Hillary as a tool of Wall Street and the result was a loss of many on the left who she probably could have counted on voting for her in the general. And because he stayed in the race way too long, the number of those people increased and dragged in independents. Once they all thought he got screwed, she lost tons of votes. A lot of people sat out once he lost, some who voted for Obama flipped for Trump, and a lot of idiots voted for Stein or Johnson.

I don't think Trump running with what Bernie started mattered much after Bernie fucked it up for Hillary with voters who would have voted Dem if he hadn't run during the primary (or stopped way back when he knew he wouldn't win and had achieved his objective of moving her to the left). And yes, she should have been a better candidate and handled his attacks better. But what Bernie did most definitely affected the number of votes she got in key states.

I'll end with that.*

TM

*And yes, I realize I'm horrible at this.
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