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Old 12-07-2017, 05:14 PM   #3254
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

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There were a bunch of people on the left who acted like Mitt Romney was literally Hitler for the binders full of women thing. He managed to advance women without grabbing their asses and didn't get any credit for that. Cry me another river about Franken being held to an unreasonable standard. And it's so great that 3 weeks ago several Democrats decided that Bill Clinton probably should have resigned. When the GOP's "War on Women" is your major narrative, I don't think it's unfair to be held to a higher standard.
You are very careful to craft your message with words like "a bunch of people on the left" and "several Democrats decided" and then you paint everyone on the left with whatever you've cherry picked from those people.

I don't remember anyone saying Romney should be disqualified because of his "binders full of women" quip. It was a ridiculous thing to say and he was taken to task for it--especially given the reality of what was behind the statement and his history of hiring women at his PE firm. You're trying to elevate it to something it's not. Purposely. Same with the Bill Clinton argument.

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My description of the Conyers III situation was in no way misleading, and I was aware of the exact same facts you were. But how about we all agree to pick candidates that don't attempt to rape children, or sexually harass their staff, *or* get in violent domestic disputes? Is that too much to ask? Too high a standard?
Fuck off. If you were aware of the same exact facts and you chose not to mention both sides, then you're as full of shit as I initially thought you were.

"Don't get involved in domestic disputes?" Yeah. That's too high a standard. If someone is actually violent, I'm with you. If the cops get called because there is an argument and one person is defending themselves against the other who is actually armed, should they be precluded from having a political career? Of course not. You want everyone to read into it that he's some sort of abuser. I don't know him. Maybe he is. But based on the article I read about the incident, he could very well be a bigger victim than the woman he was arguing with. And no, saying that isn't the same as disagreeing with "We should believe women who come forward with claims of harassment."

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I left the GOP and literally burned my voter registration card 4 months before the Access Hollywood tape came out, and gave it my all to try to defeat Trump in the primaries and at the convention (note that Cruz was not one of my exceptions from the garbage people of the GOP). I don't think you'll find me anywhere arguing that Trump and Moore are worthy of any public office.
Nice try. No one is arguing that. You're arguing that both parties are awful because you can't stand the left. You are incapable of looking at the two sides and making a determination that on harassment, race, sexism, hypocrisy, whatever, the side you're still on,* voter registration card or not, is way fucking worse.

TM

*And maybe it's because you just hate the left, but what difference does that make?
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