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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I love Samantha Bee and I don't think I've ever disagreed with her.

What bothers me so much about this specific example is that it is so very one-sided. I hate that Ansari hasn't recounted the night from his perspective. He would be crazy to do it, but I think in a case like this (where it is being used to have real and sincere conversations about important issues), it would be nice if we could have a fuller view of what happened.

So what happens with the eggshell "plaintiff?" And to be sure, I'm not labeling Grace as such. But if some woman thought she was sending clear signals, but then actively kissed and touched the other person, received and gave oral sex, and felt like it was a terrible awful experience, wasn't respected, was coerced, and ended up going public, is the fact that--in my hypothetical--her perspective is the only one that is given credence or exposure problematic? Obviously this is a tortured and unrealistic hypo, but if we had Ansari's full perspective, would some of what Grace said be given the side-eye?

Hell, one GA kissed me full on the lips at a GA meet-up.* And she tried it two more times. I sure as hell wasn't hitting on her. But she told more than a few people that I kissed her. And we all know patentpara accused me of hitting on her and making her feel uncomfortable because she was angry. If I hadn't said anything in either case, what would Samantha Bee be saying about those women? What would she be saying about me?**

TM

*No, not paigow.

**I hate this shit. Given how little attention harassment stories have received and how little support victims have received historically, and how unlikely it is that anyone who had a terrible sexual experience would come forward for no reason, it makes me ill to be bringing this stupid shit up like I'm some white dude complaining about reverse discrimination. But here I am doing it anyway. Damn it. Can I blame Canada?

I'm betting on Fugee. And if it was Fringey, Hank is going to want a word with you...