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Old 02-09-2018, 02:26 PM   #4518
Tyrone Slothrop
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
It's probably best to respond to the centerpiece quote there:
No. The key to that piece is what Trump is actually doing, not that characterization of it. By reacting to the latter, you walk away from the former.

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You are correct that Trump is a new thing. He is lying with the intent of blowing up the game. You might say this is treasonous. And it might be. But from another angle, it might just be a natural expansion of the game. When the rules make winning as you desire impossible, what else is a player to do? And who gets to decide what rules may not be broken? The people who were previously winning?
Thank you for acknowledging that what Trump is doing is new. I know it's hard for you to do that, and I appreciate the effort. But it's not just that he's lying. He said Democrats are guilty of treason and un-American for not supporting him. I don't see that as a natural expansion of the game, and you can pretend it is only by abstracting away from what he is actually doing.

The answer to your question is, we all do. It's a democracy, and we are all engaged in a constant process of agreeing on rules and norms. What Trump is doing to gratify his own ego and to advantage himself and his political party is deeply corrosive to our common challenge of trying to live in the same country together. The fact that most Republicans are going along with it should be deeply disturbing.
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