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Old 02-12-2018, 02:14 PM   #4549
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

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Of all the reasons I could not vote for Trump, his "law n' order" dog whistle was the biggest.
Law and order is a great place to starting thinking about what's in GOP voters' self interest. Is it?

It's sure is expensive to lock up as many people we do, mostly because of drugs. It doesn't help reduce drug dependency. Arguably it puts their white kids in danger of getting swept up in it (although maybe they think whiteness will work for them).

So where's the self interest? Do they think they benefit from prison (i.e., pretty much slave) labor? Do they think they get an advantage in the labor markets from reduced competition?

They probably do tell themselves that it enhances their safety, but isn't it pretty easy to see that as self delusion? White GOP voters are pretty darn safe already.

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I think most people reconcile it with, "The Democrats won't do much different in re justice reform."
Again, I think you're conflating what you think with what most people think. And, honestly, your thinking that Dems, who are ever more dependent on black voters, care but won't do anything doesn't make much sense.

If we're talking regulating banks, then fine, Dems are beholden to the same interests as the GOP. But what's the interest that Dems can't cross on maintaining mass incarceration?

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And in most regards, historically, that's been true.
History is not a good guide here.
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